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What would you guys recommend for a long time user? I'm currently on 25mg clomid per day. 9 weeks since my last injection and no libido whatsoever. Should I do the standard protocol or a more aggressive one?

Should I add in Nolvadex? If so, how much and for what duration?

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What do you mean by 'a long time user'?
What do you mean 'no libido whatsoever'? Nothing?
 

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So you been on clOmid how long?

That was my question too. Have u been on clomid for 2 months or? And did u taper down or something on the clomid to 25mgs or did u start with 25mgs at first? I myself would get bloods done before anymore time goes by and then consider a Nolva Clom combo at "standard" dosage. Im just not sure if Id start the combo immediately before my bloods came back or if Id just use some cialis/viagra until bloods arrived.
!SHRUGS!
 

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nevermind.

Merry Christmas.
 
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What do you mean by 'a long time user'?
What do you mean 'no libido whatsoever'? Nothing?
Long time user as in 7 years on without breaks. Up to 5 grams of gear per week plus HGH and insulin.
And yeah, no libido at all. Soft erections and unable to climax. Test levels just came in at 350ng/dl
 

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Weren't you the one recommending ppl to stay on/cruise year round before?

How lomg after the last injection was the 350ng/dL result? Were you on anything, like clomid in your OP, when this result came back?
 

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Long time user as in 7 years on without breaks. Up to 5 grams of gear per week plus HGH and insulin.
And yeah, no libido at all. Soft erections and unable to climax. Test levels just came in at 350ng/dl

7 ****ing years no break?!?!
And 5 grams a week?
****ing Crist.......
Consider your natty test gone.
You're not gunna ever recover from that
 

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Long time user as in 7 years on without breaks. Up to 5 grams of gear per week plus HGH and insulin.
And yeah, no libido at all. Soft erections and unable to climax. Test levels just came in at 350ng/dl

Sorry man, you're fuked.

IMHO, You have to make a decision and stick to it -No Zig zaging!-
Or 1. You stop everything and seek medical help, and maybe after a long, long, long time, you may recover enough to feel better (you need to be a real tough mtf to succeed in that).
Or 2. you continue cruising (if that's how you call the stupid shit you were doing this past 7 years) but like a fuking human being, that means at 175-250mg a week (yes, you can "go wild" and cruise on 500 - what can you lose?).

But as I said: NO ZIG ZAGING! you stick to one of the two - till the end. (I advise option 1, and if it does not work -and I mean 4-5 years- only then option 2).

Btw, I was more than once in a state that my test levels were ridiculously low. Never stopped me from banging my wife or get a good erection. What I mean is that with the abuse you described, low libido and low test needs to be the least of your problems/worries/concern.

You may fuked way more things than you think.

You didn't cross to the dark side, you're ****ing Darth Vader dude.
 
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You guys have to understand before you talk shit to this guy.
He is from gh15 that's what that carpet cleaner teaches everyone whom happens upon that board.
They do it in a cult like fashion, even the guys with knowledge whom know better go along with it.

I'm just saying I don't think it is cool to flame a guy who perhaps didn't know any better because he wasn't taught any better.
Yes sure there are a lot of boards out there ... A lot of better boards.
Yet none are as popular or as easy to hear about as that board.
Then once you see all the guys logging there blasts and shit giving real world feedback... A lot of naive kids would take that as gospel.

The only reason you teach 18 year olds whom aren't going to compete or don't have the tools to compete to blast and cruise is for the $$$

Anyways just my .02

Maybe try cashouts or dr. Sally's restart protocol I forget whom of the two wrote it.
I would begin there. Or see the doc and jump thru the trt hoops
 

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Lol I'm not with scam15 anymore. I got banned a couple months ago without explanation. Probably because I kept saying how so many guys there run way too much gear and don't look the part. God forbid they listen and buy less gear from the wizard sources :) To answer the other question:

I started the clomid the day I got my blood results back. I wasn't on anything when I had the blood drawn. I should have gotten estradiol checked too because yesterday I noticed my nipples were sore. As of this morning I am now on 50mg clomid. I also threw in 100mg of 7-keto dhea.
 

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Lol I'm not with scam15 anymore. I got banned a couple months ago without explanation. Probably because I kept saying how so many guys there run way too much gear and don't look the part. God forbid they listen and buy less gear from the wizard sources :) To answer the other question:

I started the clomid the day I got my blood results back. I wasn't on anything when I had the blood drawn. I should have gotten estradiol checked too because yesterday I noticed my nipples were sore. As of this morning I am now on 50mg clomid. I also threw in 100mg of 7-keto dhea.
What is your goal from here on out? Are you trying to stay off for good? Switch to cycling? Trying to get some swimmers up to have kids?
 

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Imo if you're a long time user, how in the flying fuk dint you know how to properly pct? I'm not trying to be rude but what the hell. You probably have no libido because you won't recover properly because you've been a long time user and have no idea how to pct. Def not something a long time user wouldn't know.
 

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You must be a walking giant after running a seven year cycle up to 5 grams a week. Any way we can get a photo of you naked holding a sign that says ugbb in front of your bullocks ?
 

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You must be a walking giant after running a seven year cycle up to 5 grams a week. Any way we can get a photo of you naked holding a sign that says ugbb in front of your bullocks ?

This is doubtful zieg. No disrespect to BMA either but a lot of those guys blast and cruise and look like they never even reached puberty.
It isn't just the kids on that board either.
I've seen guys cycle at local gyms for long duration / large amounts.
I've seen a guy blast ... Blast for a whole year up to 2.5g per week...
When users do not have the necessary skill set or foundation ...time on and running large amounts mean jack shit.
I'm done referencing that other place but I will say that those local to me running didn't look like they were even running.

Without a plan or a blueprint how can one build a house?
Irrational training methods and just eating random foods.
No real goals.
Most are content with a six pack.
Nice abdominal for the ladies and could give two shits about the rest.
Goals that could be met with a proper diet and dedication.
Laziness brings them to aas.
One of the guys didn't even have the six pack after the fact.

Most of these guys should take the money, invest in a diet/contest coach. Prep as if they were going to compete then ask themselves do they need some juice? At least that way they would have an idea what lifting and eating on a regimen were like.
Mutha****as.
 

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I suffered a heart attack just before I came off. Luckily it was minor so the damage wasn't too bad. So I need to be as healthy as possible. I don't want my son to grow up without a father.

Down 30 pounds already. Only been training twice per week. Light weights.

I did know how a 'normal' user pcts, but I made the thread because I wasn't sure if I should use higher doses than normal.

I trained for 6 years naturally btw
 

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