Can I drop Masteron and add Tren E or A?

robot lord · Oct 4, 2012

I will try n keep this one all meet n potatoes.

Stats: 40 yrs old, 236lbs,5'9,BF around 15-18% and traing better part of 22yr

Cycle: weeks 1-4
Var 50mg daily
Test C 750 mg wk
Mast 600 mg wk
Rips 5iu 7 days
HCG 500iu wk (2 doses 250mg)
Liquid adex .25mg every 3 days

Weeks 5-8
Dropped var completely
Test C 500 mg
Mast 600 mg but ran out week end of week 5 early 6
Rips 3-5 iu 5 on 2 off
HCG 500iu wk
Liquid adex .20 day after test pin(2 a week)
Lowered my test as you can see and kept mast at 600. Var is gone after week 4. Ran out of Mast because I was nervous about using Pinnacle as of late. Got turned on to both CVL and Andromed Labs and feel confident in ordering again. I am nearing the end of week 8 and 2 weeks with no mast give or take. My question is can I replace Mast with Tren E at 600mg a week for the last 12 weeks of my cycle. My bp is in check and I have no other health issues. Like 63vette said in another post" I defy you to guess my true age" as I too look atleast 28 as apposed to my actual 40. My lipids were a little jacked from var but I added red yeast rice, coq10 and niacin at week 5 and should be fine for next bloods. Oh and I donated blood around week 4 or 5. I plan to donate every 56 days( the minimum time for red cross) on and off cycle(TRT/no PCT). Saving lives and helping me. Forgot to mention this would be my second run with tren. Last time was mid 30s with no crazy amounts of sides.

Four1Thr33 · Oct 4, 2012

Never used mast but I do have a question. Why did u lower the test? I personally try and keep it the same the whole cycle To keep bloods stable

Four1Thr33 · Oct 4, 2012

And also, could be wrong here but I was under the illusion that u shouldn't use hgh Dailey. More like a 5 on 2 off kinda thing

robot lord · Oct 4, 2012

If you look at weeks 5 and on I dropped GH to 5 on 2 off. I was having some issues that I posted in another thread and it was suggested to me to lower test but keep mast at 600. I havn't cycled in a while so 750mg a week was a little over kill I think. Getting possitive results from as small an amount is the key. Why jam a shit ton of gear in ya if you would have responded well to much less. Wasted gear and cash my brother. I am learning from these vets that noobs always want to jump to giant cycles with the thought process of more gear=bigger better and faster results. Not saying you bro but even I myself get to thinking sometime the right stack and mgs will make magic. Need to bring myself back to slow and steadt mind set from time to time.

A young bull and a father bull sat on the hill side. The young bull said" lets run down and fuck us one of them cows" and the older wiser bull said" Let's walk down and fuck them all"! Lesson learned. Take your time and build up as needed.

Four1Thr33 · Oct 4, 2012

My comment had nothing to do with yiur mg amount my brother just on why the change.
20week cycles are nice. Just finished one. But u would have to stop the tren two weeks before test for easier recovery and I personally don't believe 10weeks tren E is good enough. Tren A sure

Cobra Strike · Oct 4, 2012

Why drop mast? I know you already stopped it but asking about dropping mast is never something that pops in my head lol I run it all the time blast and cruise....either way you could drop the mast and add the tren while increasing your cycle 3 weeks to let the trend clear.....or you could add the tren with the mast and again increase your cycle a few weeks....if you add the tren I would drop the t to a trt dose....just gettin off work so don't have a lot of time but I will get back on after the gym and follow this

trim · Oct 4, 2012

whats the thought process on dropping the test down to a trt level? not doubting your knowledge, just wanting to know the reasoning behind it. everything i read always says to run test higher than the tren. enlightned us!

Four1Thr33 · Oct 4, 2012

Tren and test fight for receptors. Tren always wins so the test gets waisted basically

trim · Oct 4, 2012

aaahhh, makes sense.

coltmc4545 · Oct 4, 2012

Four1Thr33 said:
Tren and test fight for receptors. Tren always wins so the test gets waisted basically

^^^^
This. Tren will always win. Then you have a ton of test floating around waisted and getting converted to E. Keep your e in check and you won't have any prolactin problems. Same with nanadrolone. I'm running npp a lot higher then test currently and have had zero ED issues. Been on for I think 7 weeks now. I'm running caber eod and stane Ed and its lovely.

Robot, personally I wouldn't drop the mast. I would get some mast p since youve been off for 2 weeks if i read that right, and tren ace and run them both. Drop your test to around 250 like cobra said and run mast p and ace both at 350 for 10 weeks. Stay on your adex even if you drop the test down and get some caber just in case. Plus caber makes you feel good and makes you a porn star in the sack so why wouldn't you take it?

Cobra Strike · Oct 4, 2012

Oh Trimmy trim you have not been reading the right material ;-)

63Vette · Oct 4, 2012

Run the tren higher than the test brother. It will help with the sides. Since you have run tren before and 600mg/wk is my sweet spot, I like that.

I shoot for 600-700mg tren depending on quality/feel and about 350-400 mg test.

As to your original question- yes you can change absolutely change compounds from Mast to Tren. In fact - if you haven't ever tried it stacking Mast and Tren is pretty sweet.

I suggest you run Ace so you can get the effects rolling quicker since you are mid cycle. By the way, a lot of guys, and I think Cobra said he does, run Mast with test in TRT.

The only thing that raised my eyebrows was the 5iu a day of Rips... I was running 5 and it fucking crippled me.... I am currently at 3 and will bump to about 3.5iu/ed. This (August I believe) slowly started kicking my ass and forced me to 4 and then 3).

Looks like you have it in check. I would suggest you add Caborgoline if you are going to run 600mg of tren brother. A pack will last forever as you will only take it 2x/wk - 3 at the most. ManPowers is excellent and they have a very fast TA.

Best of luck brother! I LOVE tren.

Keep us posted and have a GREAT run!

Vette

63Vette · Oct 4, 2012

coltmc4545 said:
^^^^
This. Tren will always win. Then you have a ton of test floating around waisted and getting converted to E. Keep your e in check and you won't have any prolactin problems. Same with nanadrolone. I'm running npp a lot higher then test currently and have had zero ED issues. Been on for I think 7 weeks now. I'm running caber eod and stane Ed and its lovely.

Robot, personally I wouldn't drop the mast. I would get some mast p since youve been off for 2 weeks if i read that right, and tren ace and run them both. Drop your test to around 250 like cobra said and run mast p and ace both at 350 for 10 weeks. Stay on your adex even if you drop the test down and get some caber just in case. Plus caber makes you feel good and makes you a porn star in the sack so why wouldn't you take it?

I think he is OUT of Mast if I understand correctly. I see I have another dedicated Caber/Aromisin brother... throw that mast or proviron on top and OH HELL.... I have also learned that taking ZMA at bedtime seems to improve sleep and help pull the trigger - which is sometimes an issue with Caber.... Good Post Colt!

Respect,
Vette

trim · Oct 5, 2012

man, glad I read this post. was about to start a test c and tren e cycle and was going to run the test way higher than the tren.

Four1Thr33 · Oct 5, 2012

Keep in mind trim... People run this both ways and have great results
It's a very debatable MG stack

robot lord · Oct 7, 2012

Thanks guys. Very helpful as usual. I was not aware test and tren fought for receptors. Nor did I understand tren to be the dominant. Please do not think me unappreciative for not responding quicker. Computer took a shit and wifey just fixed it a few hours ago while I was relaxing watching my RAVENS jump to 4 and 1!!! 63Vette, Cobra and Colt u guys have really been there for me lately. I am thinking Mast and Tren. I will pick up some caber from Manpower and some t4(supra's post on t4/GH got me interested) tonight. I will post cycle updates for critique.

Cobra Strike · Oct 8, 2012

Tren dominates everything bro ;-)

Live2Train · Oct 8, 2012

robot lord said:
Thanks guys. Very helpful as usual. I was not aware test and tren fought for receptors. Nor did I understand tren to be the dominant. Please do not think me unappreciative for not responding quicker. Computer took a shit and wifey just fixed it a few hours ago while I was relaxing watching my RAVENS jump to 4 and 1!!! 63Vette, Cobra and Colt u guys have really been there for me lately. I am thinking Mast and Tren. I will pick up some caber from Manpower and some t4(supra's post on t4/GH got me interested) tonight. I will post cycle updates for critique.

Um, I guess I'll share MY Ravens with you bro. LOL! Glad to see another B'more fan here! The bros here are so fuckin helpful, I love it! Good luck with your cycle man, can't wait to hear how things work out for you.

ccpro · Oct 9, 2012

This has been a good thread, I'm going to subscribe in case it gets buried and I need it!=D>

robot lord · Oct 12, 2012

Just got a moment of peace to get online. Tren A and Mast P should be in mail box any minute and manpower caber and t4(for my GH) showed up yesterday. Train going to leave the station as soon as the eagle lands. LOL! I have 3 areas I'd like cleared up before I pin today. With these two compounds in short ester configuration, is a M-W-F pin schedule ok or would say 50mg ed of each respective compound net better results? I am going to start with 350wk for both Mast and Tren until I get a feel for my response.

Second area of concern would be that if I am going to pin 7d I'd prefer to back load slin pins and hit delts, traps and pecs. Is a half inch slin pin getting deep enough? I carry very little BF in these areas. On my test days(mon/thurs 250mg wk) I can just load it with all 3.

Third would be I am unclear on caber use as it is my first run with it. Some say keep it on hand just in case while others say just go ahead and dose that shit because it makes you both feel better(dopamine) and has great sex sides. So would x2 wk at .5mg per dose be a good start or wait till needed? Also can caber be run off cycle or is it useless and unsafe at that point?

If this cycle goes as planned I don't think I will run any other compounds for a long time. So this same cycle x3 a year is what I am getting at and TRT in between. I will keep my test at 250mg wk all year round and just add Tren and Mast for cycle. Sounds simple enough.

Can I drop Masteron and add Tren E or A?

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