Side by Side Pose-Down: Heath versus Greene

NbleSavage · Sep 30, 2013

Not my video, but a nice job placing the two side by side for the mandatories. This video too cements my agreement with the judges overall decision to award Phil another Mister O title. You can almost see it in Kai's face that he knows he's playing for 2nd. Shame as he's one of my favorite competitors and I hope this doesn't discourage him.

Yaya · Sep 30, 2013

Kai is so fukking gay

Georgia · Sep 30, 2013

Yaya said:
Kai is so fukking gay

Got grapefruit?

jennerrator · Sep 30, 2013

I watched Generation Iron yesterday and I actually feel bad for Kai and have a lot of respect for him after seeing the movie

mugzy · Sep 30, 2013

Jenner said:
I watched Generation Iron yesterday and I actually feel bad for Kai and have a lot of respect for him after seeing the movie

Im curious what did you see in the movie that made you feel bad for Kai?

jennerrator · Sep 30, 2013

admin said:
Im curious what did you see in the movie that made you feel bad for Kai?

He just had such a shit life and we know the dedication and sacrifice it takes to be at that level. He seems to be a loner also which is kind of sad. Dude can paint, which I think could be his plan B

! And to lose by a one point difference..come on!

NbleSavage · Sep 30, 2013

Jenner said:
He just had such a shit life and we know the dedication and sacrifice it takes to be at that level. He seems to be a loner also which is kind of sad. Dude can paint, which I think could be his plan B ! And to lose by a one point difference..come on!

^^ THIS ^^

Dude made one mistake (grapefruit) in a fit of...what, passion? That moment will haunt him for the rest of his bodybuilding career. Again, not saying he was better than Phil this past weekend, just saying that he's going to have to completely dominate the competition in order to ever get a fair shake. His background (poverty), his determination and sacrifice are inspirational to me. He's a deep thinker and very well-adjusted. I wish him the best.

Hero Swole · Sep 30, 2013

NbleSavage said:
^^ THIS ^^

Dude made one mistake (grapefruit) in a fit of...what, passion? That moment will haunt him for the rest of his bodybuilding career. Again, not saying he was better than Phil this past weekend, just saying that he's going to have to completely dominate the competition in order to ever get a fair shake. His background (poverty), his determination and sacrifice are inspirational to me. He's a deep thinker and very well-adjusted. I wish him the best.

Alot of people that had the life that he did. Just become a burden to society. Like nble said hes a deep thinker and had to have had a whole lot of determination to achieve what he has so far. He did it with minimal help and support.

Phil heath on the other hand has had more advatages and probably a happier more stables life than kai. Im not saying that one deserves it more than the other. But kai greene is def the underdog. But as always may the best man win regardless of their personal story.

I think phil heath is one hell of a champion. And Its going to get harder for the competition to beat him. He has done an excellent job.

SuperBane · Sep 30, 2013

I will say I take Kai's "interviews" a bit more serious then Phil's .... Just the way they project themselves...

That side by side at least to my eye shows phil far ahead of kai.

Sidenote: The older I get the more I dislike that insulin / gh look....

hulksmash · Sep 30, 2013

I'm gonns be the black sheep (it's my niche), but Kai will never be mr Olympia

You can romanticize bodybuilding all you want-"he sacrifices so much for the iron", "he came from poverty to top Olympia line-up", et al

Yet, take his gay porn that's even shunned by drug users who use compounds in absurd amounts, and he won't be a poster boy

Remember, bodybuilding is built on naïveté...a Mr Olympia can get away with drug (juice) use

But take a Mr Olympia, "yea, I ****ed a grapefruit"-

That ain't gonna sell no protein powder LOL

jennerrator · Sep 30, 2013

hulksmash said:
I'm gonns be the black sheep (it's my niche), but Kai will never be mr Olympia

You can romanticize bodybuilding all you want-"he sacrifices so much for the iron", "he came from poverty to top Olympia line-up", et al

Yet, take his gay porn that's even shunned by drug users who use compounds in absurd amounts, and he won't be a poster boy

Remember, bodybuilding is built on naïveté...a Mr Olympia can get away with drug (juice) use

But take a Mr Olympia, "yea, I ****ed a grapefruit"-

That ain't gonna sell no protein powder LOL

whatever the only thing that matters is that Phil was just better...all the other shit flies out the window and isn't making a difference in the judges eyes.

Hero Swole · Sep 30, 2013

SuperBane said:
I will say I take Kai's "interviews" a bit more serious then Phil's .... Just the way they project themselves...

That side by side at least to my eye shows phil far ahead of kai.

Sidenote: The older I get the more I dislike that insulin / gh look....

I dont understand why people say its an insulinn/gh look. Ive always thought it was genetics for the most part. As far as that cartoonish look goes. (round belly muscles etc)

hulksmash · Sep 30, 2013

Jenner said:
whatever the only thing that matters is that Phil was just better...all the other shit flies out the window and isn't making a difference in the judges eyes.

IFBB is nothing but politics

hulksmash · Sep 30, 2013

Hero Swole said:
I dont understand why people say its an insulinn/gh look. Ive always thought it was genetics for the most part. As far as that cartoonish look goes. (round belly muscles etc)

Take the 70s pros...flat midsection, not very thick abdominals

Bring in the 80s with low gh use, thicker core..look at Mike Mentzer and how much thicker his abdominals are

Then bring Dorian and you got thick abs and protrusion; this is due to slin and it's build up of visceral fat due to the yo-yo dieting pro's do

It's not hard to see at all

NbleSavage · Sep 30, 2013

hulksmash said:
IFBB is nothing but politics

I fall down in the middle of this issue. Yes, politics plays a role in any subjective judging event (BB, boxing, MMA, etc...) but a clear winner is rarely shafted and when it happens it is usually followed by public outcry. Example: when Big Ramy won the NY Pro, it could have been said that the judges "wanted" to give it to Victor Martinez however Ramy so outclassed Victor that the judges had no choice but to put politics aside and give the title to the best physique on the stage that day.

Hero Swole · Oct 1, 2013

NbleSavage said:
I fall down in the middle of this issue. Yes, politics plays a role in any subjective judging event (BB, boxing, MMA, etc...) but a clear winner is rarely shafted and when it happens it is usually followed by public outcry. Example: when Big Ramy won the NY Pro, it could have been said that the judges "wanted" to give it to Victor Martinez however Ramy so outclassed Victor that the judges had no choice but to put politics aside and give the title to the best physique on the stage that day.

Agree with this. Me being a boxing fan id say olympia judging sticks to the protocol. Mass with class.

mistah187 · Oct 1, 2013

There r several occasions with huge problems in judging. The year arnold came back he shouldnt have won. I think it was 2006 wheeler looked way better than ronnie. There is a huge amount of politics in bodybuikding at all levels. That being said phil and kai looked on ppoint.but the whole thing that the commentators kept talking about how phil had to look bad to lose is bs. If u look good and someone looks better that should be the winner. It shouldn't matter if u won the year before.

graniteman · Oct 1, 2013

Jenner said:
He just had such a shit life and we know the dedication and sacrifice it takes to be at that level. He seems to be a loner also which is kind of sad. Dude can paint, which I think could be his plan B ! And to lose by a one point difference..come on!

Many that have a shit life have ''drive'' instilled into them., he's a good example

goodfella · Oct 1, 2013

Jenner said:
He just had such a shit life and we know the dedication and sacrifice it takes to be at that level. He seems to be a loner also which is kind of sad. Dude can paint, which I think could be his plan B ! And to lose by a one point difference..come on!

Ha You wanna feel sorry for someone, look at victors recent life events. Man people like that (kia) want you to feel sorry for them. He almost comes off like he's trying to hard to just be a person. I enjoy watching his video's ect but bottomline, dudes asking for attention and always has. The ''Hey look at me" type! B4 I even got into lifting, I remember seeing him in mags ect and just thinking to myself, man that guys a douche! my2cents

TheLupinator · Oct 1, 2013

You can call it politics but judging is still subjective. No matter how clearly you define the criteria, there is always room for interpretation of what to look for. You see this in every sport that involves judging --> Olympics, MMA, Boxing, etc.. In the end Phil won, Kai has a fruit fetish, and I agree with the judges.

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