Fortitude training

[bigdaddysmoothdc]

I’m running it as written. Lower loading/upper pump,day off, upper loading/lower pump, day off, lower mr/pump, upper mr, day off.
I’m in a deficit but I’m gonna push my calories higher closer to around maintenance for a while for recovery.
I’m just glad I didn’t jump into tier 2 or 3 off the rip.
I did the cable scoop flies for chest muscle rounds and those are fucking awesome.

I found it great on a cut as I was able to drop bf with no cardio.

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[RiR0]

The muscle round sets are absolute misery if you’re doing them properly.

I ran it for a few months a few years back. The wear and tear wasn’t too bad because I rotated exercises like with DC training.

I liked it, but I didn’t really see it as an improvement over a typical upper/lower split to be honest.

Do you have the book? You’re supposed rotate the exercises.
Hack squat muscle rounds were fucking torture yesterday

 

[Test_subject]

Do you have the book? You’re supposed rotate the exercises.

Nope. I just skimmed over it online and went for it.

That doesn’t surprise me since he worked closely with Dante.

Hack squat muscle rounds are torture. Full ROM, heavy weight… totally cooked by the end.

 

[bigdaddysmoothdc]

The muscle round sets are absolute misery if you’re doing them properly.

I ran it for a few months a few years back. The wear and tear wasn’t too bad because I rotated exercises like with DC training.

I liked it, but I didn’t really see it as an improvement over a typical upper/lower split to be honest. It’s a fun and effective program — just not my thing.

Per Scott I was doing dead stop Smith rows as a muscle round and that shut was brutal lol. I can only imagine hacks as a muscle round

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[RiR0]

Nope. I just skimmed over it online and went for it.

That doesn’t surprise me since he worked closely with Dante.

Hack squat muscle rounds are torture. Full ROM, heavy weight… totally cooked by the end.

There’s a lot of info in the book that is needed to really get the most out of it. If you ever do give it another shot you really need to get it and read through it to truly utilize the program.
It’s full body 2x per week and an lower day and an upper day. Where you hit everything 3x in 4 days.

 

[Test_subject]

There’s a lot of info in the book that is needed to really get the most out of it. If you ever do give it another shot you really need to get it and read through it to truly utilize the program.
It’s full body 2x per week and an lower day and an upper day. Where you hit everything 3x in 4 days.

Yeah I just ran the split. I didn’t get into all the tiers and other fine details of the program. What I should have said is that I ran the split and it wasn’t much of an improvement over U/L.

Maybe one of these days I’ll run it as specified and see if I have better results. Right now I’m doing the DC split (upper then lower with biceps and forearms) but 4 days a week and without all of the rest pause stuff and I moved deadlifts to lower day. Mostly straight sets with some drop sets and partials/beyond failure stuff

 

[Test_subject]

Per Scott I was doing dead stop Smith rows as a muscle round and that shut was brutal lol. I can only imagine hacks as a muscle round

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Hack squats with those super short rests are absolutely vicious. Way worse than the DC widow maker sets.

 

[RiR0]

Yeah I just ran the split. I didn’t get into all the tiers and other fine details of the program. What I should have said is that I ran the split and it wasn’t much of an improvement over U/L.

Maybe one of these days I’ll run it as specified and see if I have better results. Right now I’m doing the DC split (upper then lower with biceps and forearms) but 4 days a week and without all of the rest pause stuff and I moved deadlifts to lower day. Mostly straight sets with some drop sets and partials/beyond failure stuff

Market it and call it TS training. I’d buy the e book. I buy just about every diet or training related ebook or book that sounds half way interesting

 

[CJ]

Do it!!!! We can start a FT support group

I wouldn't be able to run it exactly as written, specifically the supersets. I wouldn't be able to claim 2-3 pieces of equipment at every workout.

 

[wotmeworry]

I am curious about this programme and impressed by Scott Stevenson's posts/interviews etc, so will give Fortitude Training a go for a meso or two.

 

[RiR0]

So I’m in week 3 I’ve had to up my calories to 2800 on top of eating whatever I can fit in my stomach every 3 days to keep my weight from dropping and to ensure recovery.

It’s hard and brutal but it’s also fun. I get a chance to try out new exercises and movements and different techniques often. I’ve found some machines and exercises that I’ve never used that have become my favorites.
The cable scoop flies, single arm free motion cable press and Icarian pec Dec literally had my chest cramping and twitching every time I moved my arms. I didn’t feel them at all in my delts.
Knees, lower back and shoulders have given me no issues which is a first time in years.
My endurance has improved dramatically without any cardio. It’s definitely transferred over into the bedroom.
I’ve still got around 3-4 weeks left before my cruise and then I’ll up it to tier 2.

 

[bigdaddysmoothdc]

So I’m in week 3 I’ve had to up my calories to 2800 on top of eating whatever I can fit in my stomach every 3 days to keep my weight from dropping and to ensure recovery.

It’s hard and brutal but it’s also fun. I get a chance to try out new exercises and movements and different techniques often. I’ve found some machines and exercises that I’ve never used that have become my favorites.
The cable scoop flies, single arm free motion cable press and Icarian pec Dec literally had my chest cramping and twitching every time I moved my arms. I didn’t feel them at all in my delts.
Knees, lower back and shoulders have given me no issues which is a first time in years.
My endurance has improved dramatically without any cardio. It’s definitely transferred over into the bedroom.
I’ve still got around 3-4 weeks left before my cruise and then I’ll up it to tier 2.

That's what I had to do too. I had to end up, at 4000 cals a day to keep gaining especially the higher tiers.

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[wotmeworry]

Have only just calibrated weights for muscle and pump sets, but so far I like the increased frequency and the way I feel after more full body workouts with FT. Still not getting the most out of pump sets though, I think.

 

[RiR0]

Have only just calibrated weights for muscle and pump sets, but so far I like the increased frequency and the way I feel after more full body workouts with FT. Still not getting the most out of pump sets though, I think.

Do you have the book?

 

[wotmeworry]

Yep, and I get the intent, I just need to get a feel for the pump sets. Will try lighter and longer sets.

I used to do supersets of biceps and triceps and could get a real pump when I ran them back to back until blown. Aiming for that feeling again I guess.

 

[bigdaddysmoothdc]

Yep, and I get the intent, I just need to get a feel for the pump sets. Will try lighter and longer sets.

I used to do supersets of biceps and triceps and could get a real pump when I ran them back to back until blown. Aiming for that feeling again I guess.

Did you try the 5s in the hole? That is pretty brutal on the pump sets. High reps work well also on these. If you go on the ft forum Scott will answer all your questions.

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[wotmeworry]

Did you try the 5s in the hole? That is pretty brutal on the pump sets. High reps work well also on these. If you go on the ft forum Scott will answer all your questions.

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OK, 5s in the hole next pump set it is.

 

[CJ]

OK, 5s in the hole next pump set it is.

Good luck. I'll pray for your soul.

 

[Rot-Iron66]

I like Scott and it looks interesting, but lifting/training does not need to be this complicated.
The hard work the guys did in the 70's built amazing bodies on basic splits, on way less drugs, way less caloric intake, but just plain hard work. So hard work and dedication and keeping with a program is what works.

All programs work, especially the ones you enjoy the most, you will bust ass on them.
These modern guys need stuff to sell so they they write up "kick-ass" programs, and that's OK of course.
If you enjoy it, have at it.

When noobs come in they are always looking for the best programs, the latest fad, etc.
Something like this is over-kill. (I get it, you guys are advanced and like to try new things).

I'm fine w/ all of these newer programs (well DC isn't new anymore).
Its just funny when I hear people (not you guys) shitting on "bro-split" like its something bad.

I think it worked pretty well for folks like Lee Haney, Bertil Fox, Arnold, Waller, Franco, etc...

Again, not dissing this stuff, I love listening to Scott on the Podcasts, very smart guy.
Nice guy...

 

[wotmeworry]

I like Scott and it looks interesting, but lifting/training does not need to be this complicated.
The hard work the guys did in the 70's built amazing bodies on basic splits, on way less drugs, way less caloric intake, but just plain hard work. So hard work and dedication and keeping with a program is what works.

All programs work, especially the ones you enjoy the most, you will bust ass on them.
These modern guys need stuff to sell so they they write up "kick-ass" programs, and that's OK of course.
If you enjoy it, have at it.

When noobs come in they are always looking for the best programs, the latest fad, etc.
Something like this is over-kill. (I get it, you guys are advanced and like to try new things).

I'm fine w/ all of these newer programs (well DC isn't new anymore).
Its just funny when I hear people (not you guys) shitting on "bro-split" like its something bad.

I think it worked pretty well for folks like Lee Haney, Bertil Fox, Arnold, Waller, Franco, etc...

Again, not dissing this stuff, I love listening to Scott on the Podcasts, very smart guy.
Nice guy...

I know what you mean, I get the feeling that a lot of guys put more energy into reading about training than lifting.

My interest in FT was prompted by Scott's promotion of it as a better programme for older guys to allow for wear and tear as well as poorer recovery. Frequency and intensity over volume, supported by a structured mix of rep ranges. Definitely for more advanced lifters, I think, to make the right exercise selections and auto-regulate in what is a very flexible programme.

Seems complicated when you read about it, but easy enough when you do it. The biggest challenge I find is moving across more machines/racks in each workout (I hate waiting for machines).