DNP is not going to help you lose fat.

MichaelMay · Nov 27, 2021

Here's the deal, if you are doing things right you never go above 12% and just skipping carbs will make you skin tight 6-8% (which is, realistically, as low as you'll get). DNP is a fat person who cannot stop filling up on carbs fast way of losing fat but for a bodybuilder it's fucking retarded.

You see it is a glucolytic, not a lipolytic substance. That literally means that it will burn muscle before fat because while gluconeogenesis occurs by literally burning muscle ketogenesis (which is another process entirely) is not induced by DNP at ALL.

To make this really simple, does it burn fat? No.

I know some of you will be mad at me for this but here's the thing, unless you can show me the function it can use to be a lipolytic there is no discussion to be had, I deal with the scientific aspect of this and nothing more.

I know this will be unpopular but fully expect to get some interesting replies based in science. Thank you.

lifter6973 · Nov 27, 2021

MichaelMay said:
Here's the deal, if you are doing things right you never go above 12% and just skipping carbs will make you skin tight 6-8% (which is, realistically, as low as you'll get). DNP is a fat person who cannot stop filling up on carbs fast way of losing fat but for a bodybuilder it's fucking retarded.

You see it is a glucolytic, not a lipolytic substance. That literally means that it will burn muscle before fat because while gluconeogenesis occurs by literally burning muscle ketogenesis (which is another process entirely) is not induced by DNP at ALL.

To make this really simple, does it burn fat? No.

I know some of you will be mad at me for this but here's the thing, unless you can show me the function it can use to be a lipolytic there is no discussion to be had, I deal with the scientific aspect of this and nothing more.

I know this will be unpopular but fully expect to get some interesting replies based in science. Thank you.

When I ran it, I did seem to lose strength but that happens when you drop weight anyways I think. I think I lost both fat and muscle and I was trying to keep the weight training in line but hard to do when you barely feel like moving.

TiredandHot · Nov 27, 2021

MichaelMay said:
Here's the deal, if you are doing things right you never go above 12% and just skipping carbs will make you skin tight 6-8% (which is, realistically, as low as you'll get). DNP is a fat person who cannot stop filling up on carbs fast way of losing fat but for a bodybuilder it's fucking retarded.

You see it is a glucolytic, not a lipolytic substance. That literally means that it will burn muscle before fat because while gluconeogenesis occurs by literally burning muscle ketogenesis (which is another process entirely) is not induced by DNP at ALL.

To make this really simple, does it burn fat? No.

I know some of you will be mad at me for this but here's the thing, unless you can show me the function it can use to be a lipolytic there is no discussion to be had, I deal with the scientific aspect of this and nothing more.

I know this will be unpopular but fully expect to get some interesting replies based in science. Thank you.

Plenty of existing research shows your full of crap, and wouldn't believe it anyways. Actual legit science as you state. Your muscle burning claim is ludicrous.

Mad at you? We're supposed to care what some know it all thinks. LMAO

MichaelMay · Nov 27, 2021

lifter6973 said:
When I ran it, I did seem to lose strength but that happens when you drop weight anyways I think. I think I lost both fat and muscle and I was trying to keep the weight training in line but hard to do when you barely feel like moving.

Going by only what is the facts of the substance you will lose muscle (and I'd assume that anyone doing it is actively restricting carbs which means it will only burn muscle and fat burning is coincidental) but not fat unless the calorie restrictive function via glucolysis means it will put you on a net negative calorie diet.

I am aware of some Brazilian pre-prints that never panned out and help for those that cannot keep a diet low in carbohydrates but the 1lbs a day or 0.5lbs a day needs to be shown for what it is. Muscle glycogen carries 10x it's weight in water, losing it quickly will make you lose water weight just as quickly.

You can achieve the same by just leaving out carbs, I lose almost 30lbs on my first week of Keto and I don't cut calories at all.

MichaelMay · Nov 27, 2021

TiredandHot said:
Plenty of existing research shows your full of crap, and wouldn't believe it anyways. Actual legit science as you state. Your muscle burning claim is ludicrous.

Mad at you? We're supposed to care what some know it all thinks. LMAO

That is fine, but you did not in any shape or form present a function for how that would work nor did you present any peer reviewed studies.

Your reply is expected and saddening, you make claims without evidence about a chemical that cannot have the effect you proclaim it does. Unless I missed how it is lipolytic but no one ever claimed that nor did a single person ever discover that this was the case.

I get that you are mad at me, hence your reply devoid of any facts and filled with you trying ridicule which is nothing but frustration.

Again, present your findings in a format that is viable or your reply is as useless as Dan Duchaine's claims about how great HMB is.

TiredandHot · Nov 27, 2021

lifter6973 said:
When I ran it, I did seem to lose strength but that happens when you drop weight anyways I think. I think I lost both fat and muscle and I was trying to keep the weight training in line but hard to do when you barely feel like moving.

Strength loss is from glycogen depletion and fewer calories assuming one isn't outeating the deficit. It's advised to drop the volume down some but make sure to keep the same weight on the bar the best you can. But yeah, it's a struggle to stay motivated as the fatigue is real.

ftf · Nov 27, 2021

@MichaelMay, I'm not for or against your point of view, but I don't see you putting up any links to research that supports it. Show where you are getting your information.

FlyingPapaya · Nov 27, 2021

Not everyone wants to do some shitty keto diet and there are plenty of people here who can attest to how well dnp does work.

Shoo fly

dragon1952 · Nov 27, 2021

I've got InBody scans 3 months apart that show not only did I lose 20lbs of fat but gained 2lbs of lean weight. I did not limit carbs/calories all that much, maybe 300 cal/day, ate/drank lots of protein, did some Ten A with it, no cardio to speak of, although at my age lifting in and of itself is cardio enough. I could give a rat's ass what process did what.

Adrenolin · Nov 27, 2021

MichaelMay said:
Here's the deal, if you are doing things right you never go above 12% and just skipping carbs will make you skin tight 6-8% (which is, realistically, as low as you'll get). DNP is a fat person who cannot stop filling up on carbs fast way of losing fat but for a bodybuilder it's fucking retarded.

You see it is a glucolytic, not a lipolytic substance. That literally means that it will burn muscle before fat because while gluconeogenesis occurs by literally burning muscle ketogenesis (which is another process entirely) is not induced by DNP at ALL.

To make this really simple, does it burn fat? No.

So then, as a fat not-bodybuilder, dnp will help me lose fat, fast?

Has there been any studies that show the gng cycle prioritizing the cannibalization of muscle tissue for conversion to glucose instead of excess protein? If one were to do a ketogenic diet whilst on anabolics with anti-catabolic properties, and also taking berberine to help prevent the gng cycle, are you suggesting dnp would have no effect on fat loss as a thermogenic?

TODAY · Nov 27, 2021

MichaelMay said:
Here's the deal, if you are doing things right you never go above 12% and just skipping carbs will make you skin tight 6-8% (which is, realistically, as low as you'll get). DNP is a fat person who cannot stop filling up on carbs fast way of losing fat but for a bodybuilder it's fucking retarded.

You see it is a glucolytic, not a lipolytic substance. That literally means that it will burn muscle before fat because while gluconeogenesis occurs by literally burning muscle ketogenesis (which is another process entirely) is not induced by DNP at ALL.

To make this really simple, does it burn fat? No.

I know some of you will be mad at me for this but here's the thing, unless you can show me the function it can use to be a lipolytic there is no discussion to be had, I deal with the scientific aspect of this and nothing more.

I know this will be unpopular but fully expect to get some interesting replies based in science. Thank you.

This post is the perfect example of ketogenic neurotoxicity at work.

Bro Bundy · Nov 27, 2021

I thought dnp was shit too

TomJ · Nov 27, 2021

Ahh you have to do is cut carbs to go from 12% to 6%
That's it, all these body builders in prep well be thrilled to hear it.

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Steeeve · Nov 27, 2021

MichaelMay said:
You can achieve the same by just leaving out carbs, I lose almost 30lbs on my first week of Keto and I don't cut calories at all.

Ah yes, another keto warrior has joined us to show us the true way. That 30 lbs in one week? Thatd be your glycogen stores (and subsequently the water and nutrients its bound to in your muscles). You didnt lose any fat, you just emptied yourself out and paved the way for some shit performance in the gym. Thats not even to begin talking about what keto does to many juicy bois lipid numbers.

Bro Bundy · Nov 27, 2021

I think both keto and dnp is wack bitch ass shit..

TODAY · Nov 27, 2021

To be fair, it's not easy to do proper research when your fingers are perpetually coated in a thick layer of bacon grease

Adrenolin · Nov 27, 2021

Steeeve said:
Ah yes, another keto warrior has joined us to show us the true way. That 30 lbs in one week? Thatd be your glycogen stores (and subsequently the water and nutrients its bound to in your muscles). You didnt lose any fat, you just emptied yourself out and paved the way for some shit performance in the gym. Thats not even to begin talking about what keto does to many juicy bois lipid numbers.

Bro Bundy said:
I think both keto and dnp is wack bitch ass shit..

TODAY said:
To be fair, it's not easy to do proper research when your fingers are perpetually coated in a thick layer of bacon grease

I FEEL ATTACKED lol

FlyingPapaya · Nov 27, 2021

I love bacon

FlyingPapaya · Nov 27, 2021

Bacon covered in brown sugar and cayenne pepper and cracked pepper.

Beti ona · Nov 28, 2021

Who is this idiot who only says nonsense?

DNP is not going to help you lose fat.

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