Newbie athletic cycle

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

New here, first cycle.

I decided I want to do a cycle because I cannot put on mass, the cardio of jiu jitsu is the culprit I believe.

I had my hormones checked by a lab with My T coming In at 370ng/dl. I'm not an expert but it seems pretty low for my demographic; the source I checked says that's half of my demographic average, (in shape, 24, male). I should add that I seem to be symptomatic for low T, and have been for a couple years now.

I have a comp coming up, I have been trying to move up Wright classes and am trying to go from 170 at 15% bmi to 176 <10% bmi.

I have read that winny and var are good for recomposition, stamina, and strength gains, so I got both. I plan a 25&25mg 8 week cycle. My tournement will land on week 5.

I plan on ordering cycle support and pct including novaldex for pct, armistane, fish oil, and milk thistle for support.

This is my plan. Feel free to rip it apart lol. I am completely open to changing this plan up, I'm not wed to it.

I have thought of adding test to it, but I don't really want to gain that much mass, I feel it would be unnecessary.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

Put the drugs away, eat more and/or cut back on your training to gain some weight. Your testosterone level might be low due to all of your training, btw.

If your tournament is soon, don't do anything stupid. Continue to train, eat, and sleep appropriately.

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

CJ said:
Put the drugs away, eat more and/or cut back on your training to gain some weight. Your testosterone level might be low due to all of your training, btw.

If your tournament is soon, don't do anything stupid. Continue to train, eat, and sleep appropriately.

I did a 5x5 8 week block recently w/ a heavy reduction of bjj to test that theory. No weight gain, meticulous diet regimen (caloric surplus w/ high protein intake). No substantial change in mood or body comp besides the extra fat gained. Before bjj I did just bodybuilding & powerlifting, similar results, can't gain actual muscle, strength somewhat.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

Bookslefthooks said:
I did a 5x5 8 week block recently w/ a heavy reduction of bjj to test that theory. No weight gain, meticulous diet regimen (caloric surplus w/ high protein intake). No substantial change in mood or body comp besides the extra fat gained. Before bjj I did just bodybuilding & powerlifting, similar results, can't gain actual muscle, strength somewhat.

Then you're doing something wrong. No offense, but your training is more than likely subpar if you're only gaining fat

And by definition, if you're not gaining weight over time, you are NOT in a calorie surplus.

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

CJ said:
Then you're doing something wrong. No offense, but your training is more than likely subpar if you're only gaining fat.

I used to do powelifting comps before bjj so I know its not form. I follow proven programs so it can't be the regimen or volume. I meticulously watch my diet as well. I've been trying naturally for 7 years my guy. Thanks for the input.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

Also, I'd consider 5x5 more of a strength biased block, and in 8 weeks natty, realistically you're only going to add about 1 pound of muscle, 2 if you do everything perfectly.

Takes time and consistency my friend.

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jan 23, 2022

Your cycle plan sucks.

If you think you can’t gain weight then give up on life right now.

8 weeks of var and windy won’t do shit for you if you’re not running testosterone. If you want to argue about it then go fuck yourself and do it your way. Stay scared of needles.

Armistane is a bullshit product. You want aromasin or arimidex.

Any questions?

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

BigBaldBeardGuy said:
Your cycle plan sucks.

If you think you can’t gain weight then give up on life right now.

8 weeks of var and windy won’t do shit for you if you’re not running testosterone. If you want to argue about it then go fuck yourself and do it your way. Stay scared of needles.

Armistane is a bullshit product. You want aromasin or arimidex.

Any questions?

I'm not scared of needles bro I've been draining my ears with them for a while now.

I'm here to try new methods of gaining, safely.

If I added 300 or 500 test would you keep both orals or drop one, if so, which one.

Noted on the aromasin/arimidex. Any other pcts in conjunction with novaldex?

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

CJ said:
Also, I'd consider 5x5 more of a strength biased block, and in 8 weeks natty, realistically you're only going to add about 1 pound of muscle, 2 if you do everything perfectly.

Takes time and consistency my friend.

At the tail end of my powelifting/BB hobby I ran BtM 5/3/1 for an entire year. This training module has a fuck ton of volume. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I feel though I've ran through the natty options a while back.

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jan 23, 2022

Start with 300-500 mg testosterone only…

…. when you’re older.

In the meantime read more. There’s a search feature that you can use. All of your questions have been asked before. This isn’t rocket science.

You run a compound to see how you react it it. Then the next cycle add one more compound. Why? So you know what each compound does. If you run test for the first time AND winny/var and you feel shitty or something isn’t right, you don’t know what is causing it.

PCT is more important than the cycle so don’t cut corners. Otherwise you’ll feel great on cycle and then when you’re off, you’ll lose all your gainzzzz. That would be frustrating.

Become an expert on this. Read. Read even more. You will have ultimate responsibility for what you’re doing.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

Bookslefthooks said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I feel though I've ran through the natty options a while back.

I have to disagree, you said yourself that you're 170 lbs at 15% bf. People are awful at estimating bf%, so more than likely you're closer to 20% bf.

But if you want to run gear, you're an adult. I can't make that decision for you. I'm not trying to be argumentative either, only trying to point out the obvious.

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jan 23, 2022

I know you are eager to start. I feel for that. Personally, I read about this stuff for a year, figured out where I would get everything I needed (which was smart because had I gone with one of my first choices I would have been scammed). The more you know, the better the results will be. I was in my 40s, done having kids, you’re 24 and need to really take the time to understand the decision you are making.

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

BigBaldBeardGuy said:
Start with 300-500 mg testosterone only…

…. when you’re older.

In the meantime read more. There’s a search feature that you can use. All of your questions have been asked before. This isn’t rocket science.

You run a compound to see how you react it it. Then the next cycle add one more compound. Why? So you know what each compound does. If you run test for the first time AND winny/var and you feel shitty or something isn’t right, you don’t know what is causing it.

PCT is more important than the cycle so don’t cut corners. Otherwise you’ll feel great on cycle and then when you’re off, you’ll lose all your gainzzzz. That would be frustrating.

Become an expert on this. Read. Read even more. You will have ultimate responsibility for what you’re doing.

Yeah I absolutely agree thanks for the advice. I have been using the search feature and tagged beginner threads. I feel like an asshole for posting but there is a wealth of BB style posts, but less athletic style posts(which makes sense). I think I have different motivations to the majority of the crowd here but similar methodology. Thanks for the info.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

Bookslefthooks said:
Yeah I absolutely agree thanks for the advice. I have been using the search feature and tagged beginner threads. I feel like an asshole for posting but there is a wealth of BB style posts, but less athletic style posts(which makes sense). I think I have different motivations to the majority of the crowd here but similar methodology. Thanks for the info.

Athletic cycles tend to be low dose, with very specific compounds for their desired effects.

For example... Winstrol, although not for everyone, has a history of causing painful joints issues. Definitely not a compound to experiment with before a tournament

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

CJ said:
I have to disagree, you said yourself that you're 170 lbs at 15% bf. People are awful at estimating bf%, so more than likely you're closer to 20% bf.

But if you want to run gear, you're an adult. I can't make that decision for you. I'm not trying to be argumentative either, only trying to point out the obvious.

Lol yeah I based it on that my lower abs are visible. No other discernable metric.

I'll definitely be doing my research, and I appreciate the advice.

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

CJ said:
Athletic cycles tend to be low dose, with very specific compounds for their desired effects.

For example... Winstrol, although not for everyone, has a history of causing painful joints issues. Definitely not a compound to experiment with before a tournament

I heard to negate the negative joint effect of winny a healthy consumption of water, omegas, and chondroitin & glucosamine helps.

I have heard of other athletes using only anavar for its strength and stamina effects. I was dissuaded of a var only cycle due to the overwhelming feedback from posts on here saying that it is a worthless waste of time and resources.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

Bookslefthooks said:
I heard to negate the negative joint effect of winny a healthy consumption of water, omegas, and chondroitin & glucosamine helps.

I have heard of other athletes using only anavar for its strength and stamina effects. I was dissuaded of a var only cycle due to the overwhelming feedback from posts on here saying that it is a worthless waste of time and resources.

Maybe, maybe not for the joint issue. Is it smart to gamble right before a tournament though?

You'll be underwhelmed with Anavar only. You'll also be underwhelmed with a Winny and Anavar combo.

Anavar is often faked too, so

that you're actually getting it.

Send0 · Jan 23, 2022

Post a pic, we'll tell you your actual body fat percentage. It could be a contributor to your testosterone lab results.

Bookslefthooks · Jan 23, 2022

CJ said:
Maybe, maybe not for the joint issue. Is it smart to gamble right before a tournament though?

You'll be underwhelmed with Anavar only. You'll also be underwhelmed with a Winny and Anavar combo.

Anavar is often faked too, so that you're actually getting it.

Yeah, honestly I'm half expecting it to be dbol, anadrol, or superdrol.

I've been competing for a couple of years, I'm not too worried about that aspect. If I was worried about it I could always pull out and just hit up the next one.

CJ · Jan 23, 2022

I went through all this before myself. But it was crossfit, not bjj.

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