TRT guy thinking about going over to the dark side.

[Iron1]

I'm just doing some thinking out loud here about a hypothetical first cycle.
I'm a TRT guy and life has been miserable trying to get these jackass endo's to bump my regimen.
Constantly feel like crap, no sex drive blah blah blah, the whole nine.

For clarity's sake, I'm prescribed 100mg EW but I wind up taking in 60mg e3.5d of Watson Cyp (mmmm, smooth).
This puts my levels at 400-500ng/dl pretty consistently.
They won't bump me despite being on the low range but that's another story.

I'll be cutting some weight before attempting this cycle, currently I sit at 6'2" 270lbs and BF% is high at the moment.
I'd like to keep this hypothetical first cycle simple, a test-only cycle to get out of the gate since I've never taken more than 200mg at a whack before.

I was thinking 750mg Test E EW.

Thoughts?

Should that dose be split into two 375mg doses and done e3.5d like my TRT?

Training history: 3 years total, one straight, took a break now I've been regular for 2 years straight training 3x weekly.
My training has been revolving around the big 4 (bench, dead, OHP and squat) and I've been running 5/3/1 for a while now but since my T has been low for so long, my stats aren't that impressive. I train for strength primarily so being shredded isn't really a priority of mine.

 

[Tren4Life]

I would go with 500 mon and Thursday for your first run.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Agreed^. 500 mg/week is a good place to start. Worked great for me.

 

[DF]

Yup, I'd go with 500mg/week for a first blast.

 

[Iron1]

Interesting, what's the reasoning behind that recommendation?

 

[PillarofBalance]

How is the rest of your bloodwork. I am leery. If you have bp issues for example that will get worse.

I think you might do better to spend some money on a diet with spongy. You will see better results and feel better.

 

[Iron1]

How is the rest of your bloodwork. I am leery. If you have bp issues for example that will get worse.

I think you might do better to spend some money on a diet with spongy. You will see better results and feel better.

BP is 128/29 last time I took it but that was immediately after driving over an hour on the highway in a deathtrap of a Jeep.

What specific info are you looking for from my blood work, I have hard copies of my bloods dating back to 2010 sitting next to me.

This is why I want to talk about it though, it may not be a great idea for me.
PoB, I would be losing weight before attempting an AAS cycle.

 

[PillarofBalance]

BP is 128/29 last time I took it but that was immediately after driving over an hour on the highway in a deathtrap of a Jeep.

What specific info are you looking for from my blood work, I have hard copies of my bloods dating back to 2010 sitting next to me.

Nothing specific. Just your overall risk level for heart attack or chronic illnesses. If you are healthy go for it. Most guys that need trt are not healthy.

 

[DF]

I recommend 500mg because you will make great gains. Also with each blast if you do more you are probably going to up the mg. I made great gains on around 300mg/week.

 

[Iron1]

Nothing specific. Just your overall risk level for heart attack or chronic illnesses. If you are healthy go for it. Most guys that need trt are not healthy.

Hmm, lets see what I can come up with:

Based on my last bout of bloods:

General Chemistry:
Fasting Glucose: 87 ref range 70-100
BUN: 22 ref range: 6-20
CRET: 1.07 ref range: 0-1.3
CA: 9.2 ref range: 8.6-10.6
TP 6.4 ref range: 6.4-8.3
ALK PHOS: 56 ref range:50-142
SGOT-AST: 78 ref range:10-41 *Note - I was drinking heavily the night before but have cut out alcohol entirely since

Hepatic Function:
SGPT-ALT: 58 ref range:10-49 *Note - I was drinking heavily the night before but have cut out alcohol entirely since
BILI TOT: .6 ref range:.2-1.3

Electrolytes:
NA: 142 ref range:135-145
K: 4.6 ref range:3.5-5.3
CL:108 ref range:98-112
C02 29 ref range:20-32
AN GAP: 5 ref range:5-15

Lipid Profile - Fasted:
Chol: 145
Trig: 112
HDL: 64
CALC LDL: 59

Anemia Group:
Transferrin: 221 ref range:200-350
Ferritin: 111 ref range:20-250
Folate: 9.7 ref range:2-15


Hematology - Hemogram

WBC: 5.8 ref range:4-11
RBC: 4.99 ref range: 4.2-5.8
HGB: 15.8 ref range:13-17.3
HCT: 47.2 ref range:40-54
MCV: 94.4 ref range: 83-96
RDW 12.1 ref range:11.5-16
PLT: 217 ref range:140-440

Automated Differential:

#NEUT: 3.3 ref range: 1.5-7.5
#LYMPH: 1.9 ref range: 1-4.5
#MONO: .6 ref range: 0-.8
#EOS: .1 ref range: 0-.4
#BASO: 0 ref range: 0-.2

Gastrointestinal:
Prolactin: 7.2 ref range: .1-15.2

Endocrine, THYROID
FT4: 1 ref range:.7-1.9
T3: 93.1 ref range:113-184
TSH: 1.12 ref range:.3-5

Endocrine, ADRENAL
Cortisol AM: 16 ref range:4-22

Fertility
LH <.1 ref range:2.7-7.7

Androgens:
Test Total: 428 ref range:300-950
SHBG 47.6 ref range:7.2-100
Calculated FAI: 31.2 ref range:14.8-94.8

Tumor Markers
Prostate Specific AG: .44 ref range: 0-4

Phew.

So what do you think, am I dying?

 

[DieYoungStrong]

Agreed with above. You can make great gains in the beginning with lowish doses. Max out the gains at low doses, see how you react to different compounds, and you can go up when the gains start stalling. If you start by blasting a gram a week, you have no where to go, but up in into Bostin Lloyd territory...

If you really just want to cut, you could do fine with just 300mg/week. You're 270, so unless you're 30% BF or 6'-8", you have a lot of muscle under there.

 

[Maintenance Man]

Ron I would at least start at 500 and assess from there.

I'm sure you will see the difference in overall well being once you raise the dosage considerably especially since you have been on TRT for 15 years plus. You seem to be very familiar with what you feel at your lower doses.

I know I'm a bastard in ways of holding this but I find it hard for a person to react badly to test but I'm sure they are out there. Just a very small percentage Id go to say.

I wouldnt go any higher than 750 your 1st time out Ron. If thats not doing it for you, Id say adding another compound before going any higher. Im sure you would love a low dose deca anyway.

All the cool kids do anyway

 

[DF]

Blood work looks good except what you noted with your liver function. Another reason to keep the mg low is to see how your BP responds & also your blood work. When I did my first blast after starting trt I used 500mg. My BP ended up thru the roof & I had headaches every friggin day. That sucked ass big time. During this last balst of 1.2g/test, 800mg/deca my BP was actually fine... Best to see how your body does with the lower mg first IMO.

 

[Seeker]

I like what DF just explained. You mentioned you want to loose some weight before you start. If your bf% is high I also think that is a good idea. What plans do you have to start losing some bf?

 

[Iron1]

I like what DF just explained. You mentioned you want to loose some weight before you start. If your bf% is high I also think that is a good idea. What plans do you have to start losing some bf?

Same as always, just keeping diet in check while maintaining my regular routine.
I've counted calories for months on end before and got great results so I'll just go back to that.
Maybe throw some additional cardio in there.
Things got a little lax over the holidays and I was actively trying to gain some mass to build my pathetic total.

Being shredded isn't my goal, I just wouldn't want to be crazy fat going into this.

 

[Iron1]

Have some Minna as thanks for stopping by:

 

[DieYoungStrong]

I'm no blood work expert, but am I missing something, or is your T3 low?

 

[Iron1]

I'm no blood work expert, but am I missing something, or is your T3 low?

You are correct, I'm subclinically hypothyroid. It doesn't always pop low sometimes it's just on the lower end of the spectrum.
I can still lose weight, I just have to eat less than a people of similar size who has a healthy thyroid.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

You are correct, I'm subclinically hypothyroid. It doesn't always pop low sometimes it's just on the lower end of the spectrum.
I can still lose weight, I just have to eat less than a people of similar size who has a healthy thyroid.

A little T3 with your "blast" might work wonders for your cut.

 

[Iron1]

A little T3 with your "blast" might work wonders for your cut.

I've got some chilling in my fridge as we speak