Heart attack, stroke, kidney failure, heart disease, liver failure, blood pressure. Steroids

[Big Worm]

Heart attack, stroke, kidney failure, heart disease, liver failure, blood pressure. Steroids

I wanted to make a thread about different health issues and the associated risks we all take. It may open the eyes of one of these youngsters about their health and what to keep track of.

We've all experienced blood pressure issues. What other problems have you or someone you know directly had?

The last thing I want is myself or anyone else to fall over dead because they thought AAS was no big deal and were reckless about it.

 

[Yaya]

Always great to remind everyone certain risks.

I don't take orals cause I drink from time to time

I don't take stims. .because I'm already too hyper

 

[PillarofBalance]

The beetus from my poptarts...

I think the blood pressure is probably the number one concern for most of us. I know it is for me. You take one drug which has sides so you take more drugs to deal with those sides. It piles up after a while.

There is also the occasional infection from some dirty gear made in some asshole's toilet.

 

[ECKSRATED]

Buddy had a cancerous growth the size of a melon in his back because he ran gh. Just sped up the process of the cancer. He's clear now though which is awesome.

Another buddy had a heart attack. Doctor told him the anadrol built up in his kidney or liver or some organ for some reason and released all at once almost killing him. Don't know how true that story is or if that's even possible. I'm no doc. Lol

my brothers buddy died in his sleep while on steroids. Not saying it was from the gear but he was only 21.

 

[DocDePanda187123]

I got this story second hand from my cousin who works in a hospital:

They got a patient in who was I believe 18-19yo. Apparently he had been overdoing dbol and drol together in super high doses for well over 3months. No liver protection, super high blood pressure, you name it. I think he was diagnosed with cholestatic jaundice (yellowing of the skin, eyes, and other membranes), severe hypertension, peliosis hepatis (cysts that are filled with blood in the liver). All I'm all he came close to death on a few occasions and the worst part is he had been juicing under the guidance of his father...

 

[Rumpy]

Personally, blood pressure, high liver values, shitty cholesterol numbers, and some enlarges prostrate issues. I'm on PB and Chol meds anyways so I try to keep a real close eye on them.

It's my understanding that the gear itself isn't harmful, but the above mentioned side effect still carry all of their risks, so if you PB and cholesterol are shit, regardless of why, you're at risk.

Keeping E2 under control helps a lot with BP and prostrate, Cialis will bring down BP, Cardio, Fish oil and eating better will improve cholesterol. Stay away from orals and alcohol if your liver values are high, and take NAC even if they're not. And for fuks sake, get labs and know what your numbers.

I completely agree with you BW, a lot of guys are pretty reckless about how they cycle. There's a lot more to it than just pinning gear and running PCT.

 

[losieloos]

I get pretty bad tren cough.

 

[JOMO]

I Personally have only ran into high liver values while running drol! People also need to put into account prescribed meds while taking oral aas because those prescribed meds may already have elavated your values. This is the problem I ran into.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

A guy I used to work with died at 38. He fell of a building but they determined he had a stroke and then fell.

Heavy, heavy juicer and he competed in strongman. Who knows if juice had anything to do with it, but 38 yr olds typically don't stroke out.

 

[shenky]

Good thread. Always good to reinforce that there is, in fact, a dark side to AAS.

 

[Tiny Calves]

Having the testosterone of a 70 year old at the age of 18.

 

[Joliver]

1) High blood pressure: It should be 120/80. The number is systolic/diastolic.
--Systolic: The pressure that is exerted on the vessels when the heart "beats." The number is problematic at or beyond 140.

--Diastolic: The pressure that is in the vessels when the heart rests. This number is problematic at or beyond 90. This is the number that is a high predictor of cardiovascular events.
Pay attention to this number in particular.

If you are prone to high BP, you MUST control your estrogen and water retention. Keep your sodium low. Don't think an aspirin per day is going to save you from a 100mg ED tren/100mg ED drol cycle. It won't. Aspirin is a good supplement, but it won't stop ventricular wall thickening. I watched my ejection fraction lower by 8% over a year. Scared me stupid....or smart. Never let your BP roam.

2) Hemoglobin/Hematocrit/RBCs: Your blood profile also is important in monitoring the overall health of your cardiovascular system. Hearts don't like to pump crude oil. Donate your blood or do therapeutic phlebotomy regularly. Again...don't think an aspirin will save you.

3) Liver values: If you eat dbol and wash it down with drol, watch your liver values (ALT and AST). Take NAC...for god sakes. That shit is cheap and livers aren't.

4) Blood lipids: This is another "drop dead while driving down the road" predictor that needs to be watched. All the proper diet in the world won't be able to maintain a proper ratio of HDL/LDL/triglycerides on the heaviest of cycles. Over the counter solutions are available. Niacin in the 2g range will lower LDL and increase HDL, but may leave you flushed. Fish oil will maintain a healthy triglyceride balance. If those options don't work....get a cholesterol med. They are cheap as hell, and they will save your life.


These are the primary sides that I watch and control regularly along with my remedies for the condition. I hope it helps.

 

[amore169]

That's great advise joliver, I make a habit in donating blood every three months.

 

[shenky]

1) High blood pressure: It should be 120/80. The number is systolic/diastolic.
--Systolic: The pressure that is exerted on the vessels when the heart "beats." The number is problematic at or beyond 140.

--Diastolic: The pressure that is in the vessels when the heart rests. This number is problematic at or beyond 90. This is the number that is a high predictor of cardiovascular events.
Pay attention to this number in particular.

If you are prone to high BP, you MUST control your estrogen and water retention. Keep your sodium low. Don't think an aspirin per day is going to save you from a 100mg ED tren/100mg ED drol cycle. It won't. Aspirin is a good supplement, but it won't stop ventricular wall thickening. I watched my ejection fraction lower by 8% over a year. Scared me stupid....or smart. Never let your BP roam.

2) Hemoglobin/Hematocrit/RBCs: Your blood profile also is important in monitoring the overall health of your cardiovascular system. Hearts don't like to pump crude oil. Donate your blood or do therapeutic phlebotomy regularly. Again...don't think an aspirin will save you.

3) Liver values: If you eat dbol and wash it down with drol, watch your liver values (ALT and AST). Take NAC...for god sakes. That shit is cheap and livers aren't.

4) Blood lipids: This is another "drop dead while driving down the road" predictor that needs to be watched. All the proper diet in the world won't be able to maintain a proper ratio of HDL/LDL/triglycerides on the heaviest of cycles. Over the counter solutions are available. Niacin in the 2g range will lower LDL and increase HDL, but may leave you flushed. Fish oil will maintain a healthy triglyceride balance. If those options don't work....get a cholesterol med. They are cheap as hell, and they will save your life.


These are the primary sides that I watch and control regularly along with my remedies for the condition. I hope it helps.

Joliver, good read. Thanks. My next cycle is dbol/test/deca. Around when in my cycle should I be donating blood?

 

[LeanHerm]

Cholesterol depending on what you're taking.

My biggest issue is hurting myself carrying a refrigerator, washer, or anything heavy when someone moves. Seems to be the case that when people understand your big n strong they always ask you to help. Lol. Be careful my brothers.

 

[cotton2012]

All these health issues "could" be attributed to AAS use but isn't it fair to say they could be attributed to just simply genetics. I mean I'm not trying to say they are perfectly safe take off and have fun, sh*t you can abuse cheeseburgers and it will shorten your life. What I mean is, there is I think way more documented cases of all of these health issues in people who have never touched AAS, happens all the time even in children. Basically what I'm saying is how the f*ck is Ronnie Coleman still alive or any top pro in the last 10 years, cause we are not just talking about use or abuse, no we are talking about EXTREME abuse over a very long period of time, or Arnold and pretty much his whole crew they were experimenting before they knew what was "bad" for you, still alive. They will tell you "well its genetics" the way I see it is if someone takes AAS and dies from a heart attack maybe they were just one of those statistic that was going to die of a heart attack no matter what. I'd like to think we control our own destiny somewhat and that stuff like eating right and regular cardio will extend life or at least improve the quality of it, in fact I'd have to say that what and how you eat would have way more to do with developing disease than AAS use, but there are so many factors, how well you sleep, daily stress levels I already know. It seems logical to be careful and I totally agree with Jolivers entire post and do monitor those myself religiously but just food for thought. And just remember you can even drink too much water!

 

[Joliver]

Joliver, good read. Thanks. My next cycle is dbol/test/deca. Around when in my cycle should I be donating blood?

The answer to that varies somewhat. Depending on the length of your cycle, and the nature of the AAS you are taking.

The longer the cycle is the more often you will donate blood. I rarely donate more than once per quarter. But the best answer to this is to have a blood test regularly to see exactly where your H&H is and base your decision on that.

Certain compounds will drive your H&H through the roof. Anadrol and EQ always end up putting on the high end of the scale.

But be careful, if you cross over a certain level, you will not be able to donate. Then you will be left seeking a therapeutic phlebotomy. Most doctors are hesitant to order those to help AAS users control their sides. The only other option is to drain yourself....not fun.

 

[Seeker]

Cholesterol depending on what you're taking.

My biggest issue is hurting myself carrying a refrigerator, washer, or anything heavy when someone moves. Seems to be the case that when people understand your big n strong they always ask you to help. Lol. Be careful my brothers.

I'm done helping people move. Hire a mover or get a couple of laborers from Home Depot. When people ask me to help them move I tell them; I'm good at picking up heavy things and putting them down, but I'm not good at carrying them across a room or down a flight of stairs.

 

[Hero Swole]

I'm done helping people move. Hire a mover or get a couple of laborers from Home Depot. When people ask me to help them move I tell them; I'm good at picking up heavy things and putting them down, but I'm not good at carrying them across a room or down a flight of stairs.

the only time I ever snapped my sheet up was cause of this.^^^

 

[Hero Swole]

The answer to that varies somewhat. Depending on the length of your cycle, and the nature of the AAS you are taking.



The longer the cycle is the more often you will donate blood. I rarely donate more than once per quarter. But the best answer to this is to have a blood test regularly to see exactly where your H&H is and base your decision on that.



Certain compounds will drive your H&H through the roof. Anadrol and EQ always end up putting on the high end of the scale.



But be careful, if you cross over a certain level, you will not be able to donate. Then you will be left seeking a therapeutic phlebotomy. Most doctors are hesitant to order those to help AAS users control their sides. The only other option is to drain yourself....not fun.

have you ever had to drain yourself?