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Hell no the Doc doesn't screw around LOL.... you better be prepared when you talk with Doc.damn doc u dont fuk around lol
Hell no the Doc doesn't screw around LOL.... you better be prepared when you talk with Doc.damn doc u dont fuk around lol
I hope you don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to say what you can and cannot talk about here. There's a sub forum for every topic from PLing/BBing to porn so you have every right to start this topic and it's different than the norm so I can admire that. It's also a good idea to take care of your insides I'm not denying that either. My main point was that I see holes in the logic and inconsistencies so I'm playing devils advocate to find out if it's on my understanding of what you're saying or of it's your actual statements.
My point with the evolution comment was that on one hand you mentioned we should eat what we've adapted to and we can only adapt after many generations and on the other hand you mention a grocery list of supplements. Neglecting the question of if they're beneficial or not, how can we have adapted to synthetic supplements if they've only been around a handful of generations max?
The other point is that the human body is highly adaptive. Changing genetic coding may very well take generation after generation but you don't need to change genetic coding to adapt. If we took so long to adapt we would have been extinct many thousands of years ago. You want simple irrefutable proof on how quick we can adapt and evolve, look at vaccines. After a few days you've evolved....
I fail to see how you provided a good example of anything to do with antioxidants and I'm not sure how the rest of the paragraph relates to the topic of antioxidants.
I agree antioxidants have their uses in the body but they also have their limitations. Almost all RCT's on antioxidants have shown NO health benefits, no decrease in mortality, no cancer fighting benefits, etc. Statistically speaking, you're more likely to die sooner if you take antioxidant supplements than if you didn't. Not trying to scare you but those truly are the statistics from actual peer-reviewed studies. Furthermore, James Watson (co-founder of the DNA double-helix structure and one of the fathers of modern day biology IMO) is quoted as saying "antioxidants may have caused more cancer than they've prevented" and many of the researchers tend to agree with him. It's ironic that the 'father' of anti-oxidant supplementation (who first proposed about the cancer fighting benefits) died from prostate cancer of all things. Free radicals (oxygen molecules basically) also happen to be a necessary biological process and they aren't always bad and neither is the oxidization they promote. Free radicals are a NECESSARY aspect of the human immune system. Free radicals are how chemotherapy and radiotherapy work in treating cancer patients....no free radicals and you get a cancer treatment that will fail before it has even began. There are a few other issues as well but that one in particular stuck out at me as cancer fighting is one of the biggest claims of antioxidant use.
I know many millions of ppl also believe in their benefits, even though scientifically it's not been proven, but does that really change anything or make it anymore true? I can show you over a million ppl who thought slavery was right. Same goes for anti-Semitism...are those anymore valid bc of the size of their following?
If you didn't do anything wrong and your ticket punched at 80 it means your genes said your time was up. If you lead a shitty life you can take years off it by incurring health ailments sure but the converse doesn't necessarily hold true. to add onto your life is more than a stretch IMO. By your definition, perfect health got you to 80 and the only reason you'd die earlier is bc of some health condition from a shitty lifestyle. Your contention is basically saying leading a healthy lifestyle would provide an equal but opposite result and you'd live longer. But How does a healthy lifestyle undo what hasn't been done? We already agreed genes take too long to manipulate to be a factor here.
I'll bite on the example of your 2 parents and give you examples from my personal life (congratulations by the way, that is quite a feat for them to have accomplished). My mother, my aunt, and 3 of their friends all live the 'healthy lifestyle'. For the last ~25-30yrs they've EACH supplemented with more products than you could name off the top of your head (I'm not exaggerating either). I went shopping for my mother one day for her vitamins and whatnot. Spent over $350 and that wasn't everything she needed. These ppl do EVERYTHING you're suggesting: none have smoked once in their life, touched alcohol only a handful of times ever, eat chicken and fish but no read meat (bc of the carnitine scare BS), only organic produce, supplements out the ass, only whol foods, go to the naturopath doctor, etc etc etc. You name it they've done it or followed it. The ironic part is, with all these 'healthy' things they do, THEY ARE THE 5 MOST UNHEALTHY PEOPLE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE and that's including a few crackheads I know. If I listed everything wrong you'd think I read it from a book or something. My point is there is a limit to how healthy we can be, unless you're deficient in something most of these supplements are nothing more than ROI's for some corporate big wig, and diminishing returns holds true even here.
The human body adapts and evolves by many mechanism and one of the most important ones is the stress/adaptation model. Look up Hans Seyle's General Adaptation Syndrome. We receive a stress/stimulus. This causes a fight or flight response in the body. If the stress is too great you don't recover and ultimately death could occur. If the stress is recoverable from, the body adapts so as to handle that stress in the future. Where am I going withy this? In the pursuit of 'ultimate health and well being' and doing all these various things to remove stressors, etc you could very well be doing just the opposite and making yourself worse off. How can you adapt to anything if you never get exposed to it? And if you haven't adapted to it now bc you've avoided it just imagine how much more difficult it would be to deal with it later on when you're older and less resistant. The fundamentals of this are right before your eyes...it's how weight lifting and aerobic exercise work, it's how vaccines work, how the immune system works, how the digestive system works, how hormones work (if you're on a cycle the testes stop getting the LH signal. No stimulus/stress means no test production and the testes atrophy and lose function), the HPTA sees excess test as a stimulus to start aromatization, the examples are limitless here. It's like the stories of the parents who 'over-protect' their kids and the kids never learn how to make it in the real world. Many of us do this but in regards to BBing and hormones. We think estrogen is bad, we think cortisol is a bad hormone, we think catabolism is always a bad thing. Believe it or not all those things are necessary bc the stimulus they provide helps us get the response we desire in our pursuit of training.
I know I'm long-winded and you possibly stopped reading several paragraphs ago lol but IMO going to extremes to remove stress and do this do that etc are counter-productive. Stress and adaptation is the foundation of evolution. To remove it from your life bc you fear the unknown is akin to removing yourself from the evolutionary gene pool IMO. No stimulus = no adaptation = no evolution. You're basically standing still and you don't strike me as the type of person who wants that. You seem like a mover, a doer, a go getter. At the end of the day you're free to practice what you wish and no one can take that away from you. Whatever you do, I wish nothing but the best
Good morning. I don't misunderstand you. Points taken. I explained my rational the best I could above. And agree you don't fawk around lol. So I will not beat a dead horse. Not that you did. But if I kept going the horse may die. You made good points as well as I. My logic is not always sound. But it is my logic. As you said it works for me.
Maybe a couple of you hit on something. I too had a tragic experience at a young age. It helped form my drives. I had a skying accident at 13 and had a stroke completely paralyzing my entire right side - face and all. Over the next 5 years I, for all extensive purposes, I fully recovered by willing it so - and 1000's of hours of hard work of course.
My long term goal is longevity. Been at it for 20 years now. I'm shooting for over 100 and then I'll see where I stand. Once you get over that number genetics and illnesses play a large role in if your living or dying. My goal is also age prevention. It's a little game I'm playing (with good success) with myself to see how long I can keep myself looking young. In addition to the supplements and foods below, I also rub baby oil from head to toe after I have bathed, and while still in the shower. Then I rinse and towel off to take off the excess. This puts on a nice layer but you don't have any shine so people don't look at you weird lol. Any of you have the same goal? If so do you have any supplements that you can add to this list? Or whole foods? Or life style choices and etc? And I take a good multi vitamin/mineral. So I'm either going to live forever or die of liver disease lol.
:: My daily supplements ::
Vit D 5000 IU
Pycnogenol
Lycopene
Astaxanthin
N-Acetyl-Cysteine
Vit E
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Vit C
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Selenium
Grape seed extract
Lutein
CoQ-10
Zinc
S.O.D. 3
Garlic
Green Tea Extract
Milk Thistle
Beta Carotene (Vit A)
Omega 3
Multidiphilis (good gut bacteria)
---
:: I try the eat lots of these although it's hit and miss ::
- Blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, raspberries, red grapes, raisins, prunes, mixed dried fruit
- Olive oil
- Broccoli, Brussels sprouts
- V8
- Tomatoes
- Spinach
- Green tea, coffee
- Wheat germ, flax seed
- Yogurt
- Nuts, walnuts, almonds
- Beans, black beans, pinto beans, red kidney beans, small red beans
- Grape juice
- Garlic
The strongest most powerful part of your body is your mind. WILL POWER IS REAL. if the desire and the will is there you can do amazing things. Things that are thought to be impossible, and this is no joke.
I wish I could share with you all some things that have happened to me and my experience on over coming them. Unfortunetly giving details could give up my identity.
Like I said in my post above. Death has come at me fiercely in my life time and it's been a never ending battle over coming injuries and rebuilding my body.
My will power has been iron clad and I just refuse to go down.
My right arm at one time was completely paralyzed. Could not budge it one millimeter. Doctors told me it was permanent with no chance of recovering. This scared the hell out of me. I thought I finally may be done. But I just refused to accept that. I fought to move that arm every single day all day with no success. It was as if you had a 200lbs dumbbell strapped to your hand and tried to do a front raise over your head, just wouldn't budge. Until about one year later or so, I saw it move about a couple of millimeters. Ever so slight. This was a good day, you would have thought I won the lottery. I fought every day just to move it a little more building strength and gaining movement at a excruciatingly slow rate. It took me over another year before I could get my arm to raise over my head. That was the day I got back into the gym. Muscles atrophied so badly you could see bones in my shoulder and I couldn't even lift the bar. Fourtunetly I had a good friend who was patient and spotted me a,d helped me along the way. I hit legs fiercely during this time and any other exercise I could adapt to. It took a couple of years. After I built back a good solid base and had good strength again, this was the beginning of AAS for me and I just went at it as hard as I could until I made a full recovery. I'm bigger and stronger now then I ever was or at one point thought I could ever be.
So believe in will power and the power of your mind, Its real and it's powerful.
IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY......NEVER GIVE UP. YOURE NOT BEATEN UNTIL YOU SURRENDER, THEREFORE SURRENDER IS NEVER AN OPTION.
My long term goal is longevity.
take what u want but know this we all got a ticket and when that ticket is called its lights out
Preordained destiny? I think not. I control mine.
My long term goal is longevity. Been at it for 20 years now. I'm shooting for over 100 and then I'll see where I stand. Once you get over that number genetics and illnesses play a large role in if your living or dying. My goal is also age prevention. It's a little game I'm playing (with good success) with myself to see how long I can keep myself looking young. In addition to the supplements and foods below, I also rub baby oil from head to toe after I have bathed, and while still in the shower. Then I rinse and towel off to take off the excess. This puts on a nice layer but you don't have any shine so people don't look at you weird lol. Any of you have the same goal? If so do you have any supplements that you can add to this list? Or whole foods? Or life style choices and etc? And I take a good multi vitamin/mineral. So I'm either going to live forever or die of liver disease lol.
:: My daily supplements ::
Vit D 5000 IU
Pycnogenol
Lycopene
Astaxanthin
N-Acetyl-Cysteine
Vit E
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Vit C
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Selenium
Grape seed extract
Lutein
CoQ-10
Zinc
S.O.D. 3
Garlic
Green Tea Extract
Milk Thistle
Beta Carotene (Vit A)
Omega 3
Multidiphilis (good gut bacteria)
---
:: I try the eat lots of these although it's hit and miss ::
- Blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, raspberries, red grapes, raisins, prunes, mixed dried fruit
- Olive oil
- Broccoli, Brussels sprouts
- V8
- Tomatoes
- Spinach
- Green tea, coffee
- Wheat germ, flax seed
- Yogurt
- Nuts, walnuts, almonds
- Beans, black beans, pinto beans, red kidney beans, small red beans
- Grape juice
- Garlic
This is a six year old thread, doubt op will respond :32 (18):
Preordained destiny? I think not. I control mine.
I can honestly say I'm not sure I want to live that long. I want to enjoy life without restriction and restraint. When the quality of life goes down... I say put me down like a horse.