Want to live to 120 yrs old? Let's compare notes

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I stopped reading everyone's posts after the first page.

I definitely don't want to live to be 100 let alone 120. I think if I hit 80 I'm good. Shit When I was 17 I knew I probably wouldn't live past 23. I said that a lot back then. I damn near didn't. Every year my age goes up by one is a blessing. I could care less if I lived to be 100. As long as I get to see my grand kids get married and have kids, I'll be happy. Life is good but at some point your quality of life starts declining. No way I want to be wearing a fukin diaper and having my kids or some fat nurse wipe my ass. Give me a gun and I'll bite a bullet before that shit happens.
 

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I hope you don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to say what you can and cannot talk about here. There's a sub forum for every topic from PLing/BBing to porn so you have every right to start this topic and it's different than the norm so I can admire that. It's also a good idea to take care of your insides I'm not denying that either. My main point was that I see holes in the logic and inconsistencies so I'm playing devils advocate to find out if it's on my understanding of what you're saying or of it's your actual statements.

My point with the evolution comment was that on one hand you mentioned we should eat what we've adapted to and we can only adapt after many generations and on the other hand you mention a grocery list of supplements. Neglecting the question of if they're beneficial or not, how can we have adapted to synthetic supplements if they've only been around a handful of generations max?

The other point is that the human body is highly adaptive. Changing genetic coding may very well take generation after generation but you don't need to change genetic coding to adapt. If we took so long to adapt we would have been extinct many thousands of years ago. You want simple irrefutable proof on how quick we can adapt and evolve, look at vaccines. After a few days you've evolved....



I fail to see how you provided a good example of anything to do with antioxidants and I'm not sure how the rest of the paragraph relates to the topic of antioxidants.

I agree antioxidants have their uses in the body but they also have their limitations. Almost all RCT's on antioxidants have shown NO health benefits, no decrease in mortality, no cancer fighting benefits, etc. Statistically speaking, you're more likely to die sooner if you take antioxidant supplements than if you didn't. Not trying to scare you but those truly are the statistics from actual peer-reviewed studies. Furthermore, James Watson (co-founder of the DNA double-helix structure and one of the fathers of modern day biology IMO) is quoted as saying "antioxidants may have caused more cancer than they've prevented" and many of the researchers tend to agree with him. It's ironic that the 'father' of anti-oxidant supplementation (who first proposed about the cancer fighting benefits) died from prostate cancer of all things. Free radicals (oxygen molecules basically) also happen to be a necessary biological process and they aren't always bad and neither is the oxidization they promote. Free radicals are a NECESSARY aspect of the human immune system. Free radicals are how chemotherapy and radiotherapy work in treating cancer patients....no free radicals and you get a cancer treatment that will fail before it has even began. There are a few other issues as well but that one in particular stuck out at me as cancer fighting is one of the biggest claims of antioxidant use.

I know many millions of ppl also believe in their benefits, even though scientifically it's not been proven, but does that really change anything or make it anymore true? I can show you over a million ppl who thought slavery was right. Same goes for anti-Semitism...are those anymore valid bc of the size of their following?



If you didn't do anything wrong and your ticket punched at 80 it means your genes said your time was up. If you lead a shitty life you can take years off it by incurring health ailments sure but the converse doesn't necessarily hold true. to add onto your life is more than a stretch IMO. By your definition, perfect health got you to 80 and the only reason you'd die earlier is bc of some health condition from a shitty lifestyle. Your contention is basically saying leading a healthy lifestyle would provide an equal but opposite result and you'd live longer. But How does a healthy lifestyle undo what hasn't been done? We already agreed genes take too long to manipulate to be a factor here.

I'll bite on the example of your 2 parents and give you examples from my personal life (congratulations by the way, that is quite a feat for them to have accomplished). My mother, my aunt, and 3 of their friends all live the 'healthy lifestyle'. For the last ~25-30yrs they've EACH supplemented with more products than you could name off the top of your head (I'm not exaggerating either). I went shopping for my mother one day for her vitamins and whatnot. Spent over $350 and that wasn't everything she needed. These ppl do EVERYTHING you're suggesting: none have smoked once in their life, touched alcohol only a handful of times ever, eat chicken and fish but no read meat (bc of the carnitine scare BS), only organic produce, supplements out the ass, only whol foods, go to the naturopath doctor, etc etc etc. You name it they've done it or followed it. The ironic part is, with all these 'healthy' things they do, THEY ARE THE 5 MOST UNHEALTHY PEOPLE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE and that's including a few crackheads I know. If I listed everything wrong you'd think I read it from a book or something. My point is there is a limit to how healthy we can be, unless you're deficient in something most of these supplements are nothing more than ROI's for some corporate big wig, and diminishing returns holds true even here.

The human body adapts and evolves by many mechanism and one of the most important ones is the stress/adaptation model. Look up Hans Seyle's General Adaptation Syndrome. We receive a stress/stimulus. This causes a fight or flight response in the body. If the stress is too great you don't recover and ultimately death could occur. If the stress is recoverable from, the body adapts so as to handle that stress in the future. Where am I going withy this? In the pursuit of 'ultimate health and well being' and doing all these various things to remove stressors, etc you could very well be doing just the opposite and making yourself worse off. How can you adapt to anything if you never get exposed to it? And if you haven't adapted to it now bc you've avoided it just imagine how much more difficult it would be to deal with it later on when you're older and less resistant. The fundamentals of this are right before your eyes...it's how weight lifting and aerobic exercise work, it's how vaccines work, how the immune system works, how the digestive system works, how hormones work (if you're on a cycle the testes stop getting the LH signal. No stimulus/stress means no test production and the testes atrophy and lose function), the HPTA sees excess test as a stimulus to start aromatization, the examples are limitless here. It's like the stories of the parents who 'over-protect' their kids and the kids never learn how to make it in the real world. Many of us do this but in regards to BBing and hormones. We think estrogen is bad, we think cortisol is a bad hormone, we think catabolism is always a bad thing. Believe it or not all those things are necessary bc the stimulus they provide helps us get the response we desire in our pursuit of training.

I know I'm long-winded and you possibly stopped reading several paragraphs ago lol but IMO going to extremes to remove stress and do this do that etc are counter-productive. Stress and adaptation is the foundation of evolution. To remove it from your life bc you fear the unknown is akin to removing yourself from the evolutionary gene pool IMO. No stimulus = no adaptation = no evolution. You're basically standing still and you don't strike me as the type of person who wants that. You seem like a mover, a doer, a go getter. At the end of the day you're free to practice what you wish and no one can take that away from you. Whatever you do, I wish nothing but the best :)

Good morning. I don't misunderstand you. Points taken. I explained my rational the best I could above. And agree you don't fawk around lol. So I will not beat a dead horse. Not that you did. But if I kept going the horse may die. You made good points as well as I. My logic is not always sound. But it is my logic. As you said it works for me.

Maybe a couple of you hit on something. I too had a tragic experience at a young age. It helped form my drives. I had a skying accident at 13 and had a stroke completely paralyzing my entire right side - face and all. Over the next 5 years I, for all extensive purposes, I fully recovered by willing it so - and 1000's of hours of hard work of course.
 

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Good morning. I don't misunderstand you. Points taken. I explained my rational the best I could above. And agree you don't fawk around lol. So I will not beat a dead horse. Not that you did. But if I kept going the horse may die. You made good points as well as I. My logic is not always sound. But it is my logic. As you said it works for me.

Maybe a couple of you hit on something. I too had a tragic experience at a young age. It helped form my drives. I had a skying accident at 13 and had a stroke completely paralyzing my entire right side - face and all. Over the next 5 years I, for all extensive purposes, I fully recovered by willing it so - and 1000's of hours of hard work of course.

The strongest most powerful part of your body is your mind. WILL POWER IS REAL. if the desire and the will is there you can do amazing things. Things that are thought to be impossible, and this is no joke.
I wish I could share with you all some things that have happened to me and my experience on over coming them. Unfortunetly giving details could give up my identity.
Like I said in my post above. Death has come at me fiercely in my life time and it's been a never ending battle over coming injuries and rebuilding my body.
My will power has been iron clad and I just refuse to go down.
My right arm at one time was completely paralyzed. Could not budge it one millimeter. Doctors told me it was permanent with no chance of recovering. This scared the hell out of me. I thought I finally may be done. But I just refused to accept that. I fought to move that arm every single day all day with no success. It was as if you had a 200lbs dumbbell strapped to your hand and tried to do a front raise over your head, just wouldn't budge. Until about one year later or so, I saw it move about a couple of millimeters. Ever so slight. This was a good day, you would have thought I won the lottery. I fought every day just to move it a little more building strength and gaining movement at a excruciatingly slow rate. It took me over another year before I could get my arm to raise over my head. That was the day I got back into the gym. Muscles atrophied so badly you could see bones in my shoulder and I couldn't even lift the bar. Fourtunetly I had a good friend who was patient and spotted me a,d helped me along the way. I hit legs fiercely during this time and any other exercise I could adapt to. It took a couple of years. After I built back a good solid base and had good strength again, this was the beginning of AAS for me and I just went at it as hard as I could until I made a full recovery. I'm bigger and stronger now then I ever was or at one point thought I could ever be.
So believe in will power and the power of your mind, Its real and it's powerful.
IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY......NEVER GIVE UP. YOURE NOT BEATEN UNTIL YOU SURRENDER, THEREFORE SURRENDER IS NEVER AN OPTION.
 

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Great job protein. I'm glad you had the will and strength and mindset. to over come your injuries. I'm sure you thought recovery was impossible but your will power pulled you through. That is great.
 

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My long term goal is longevity. Been at it for 20 years now. I'm shooting for over 100 and then I'll see where I stand. Once you get over that number genetics and illnesses play a large role in if your living or dying. My goal is also age prevention. It's a little game I'm playing (with good success) with myself to see how long I can keep myself looking young. In addition to the supplements and foods below, I also rub baby oil from head to toe after I have bathed, and while still in the shower. Then I rinse and towel off to take off the excess. This puts on a nice layer but you don't have any shine so people don't look at you weird lol. Any of you have the same goal? If so do you have any supplements that you can add to this list? Or whole foods? Or life style choices and etc? And I take a good multi vitamin/mineral. So I'm either going to live forever or die of liver disease lol.

:: My daily supplements ::

Vit D 5000 IU
Pycnogenol
Lycopene
Astaxanthin
N-Acetyl-Cysteine
Vit E
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Vit C
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Selenium
Grape seed extract
Lutein
CoQ-10
Zinc
S.O.D. 3
Garlic
Green Tea Extract
Milk Thistle
Beta Carotene (Vit A)
Omega 3
Multidiphilis (good gut bacteria)

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:: I try the eat lots of these although it's hit and miss ::

- Blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, raspberries, red grapes, raisins, prunes, mixed dried fruit
- Olive oil
- Broccoli, Brussels sprouts
- V8
- Tomatoes
- Spinach
- Green tea, coffee
- Wheat germ, flax seed
- Yogurt
- Nuts, walnuts, almonds
- Beans, black beans, pinto beans, red kidney beans, small red beans
- Grape juice
- Garlic

I'd quite fancy being an old healthy person, although I think as soon as I hit old time I will live on chocolate cake & pizza 😂

Just now I don't take much supps apart from juice plus capsules.. Feel quite good on them & my skin is clearing up well! Does your skin not go mega oily after baby oil?
I have a feeling my skin would go bad if I done that! 😜
 

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The strongest most powerful part of your body is your mind. WILL POWER IS REAL. if the desire and the will is there you can do amazing things. Things that are thought to be impossible, and this is no joke.
I wish I could share with you all some things that have happened to me and my experience on over coming them. Unfortunetly giving details could give up my identity.
Like I said in my post above. Death has come at me fiercely in my life time and it's been a never ending battle over coming injuries and rebuilding my body.
My will power has been iron clad and I just refuse to go down.
My right arm at one time was completely paralyzed. Could not budge it one millimeter. Doctors told me it was permanent with no chance of recovering. This scared the hell out of me. I thought I finally may be done. But I just refused to accept that. I fought to move that arm every single day all day with no success. It was as if you had a 200lbs dumbbell strapped to your hand and tried to do a front raise over your head, just wouldn't budge. Until about one year later or so, I saw it move about a couple of millimeters. Ever so slight. This was a good day, you would have thought I won the lottery. I fought every day just to move it a little more building strength and gaining movement at a excruciatingly slow rate. It took me over another year before I could get my arm to raise over my head. That was the day I got back into the gym. Muscles atrophied so badly you could see bones in my shoulder and I couldn't even lift the bar. Fourtunetly I had a good friend who was patient and spotted me a,d helped me along the way. I hit legs fiercely during this time and any other exercise I could adapt to. It took a couple of years. After I built back a good solid base and had good strength again, this was the beginning of AAS for me and I just went at it as hard as I could until I made a full recovery. I'm bigger and stronger now then I ever was or at one point thought I could ever be.
So believe in will power and the power of your mind, Its real and it's powerful.
IF THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY......NEVER GIVE UP. YOURE NOT BEATEN UNTIL YOU SURRENDER, THEREFORE SURRENDER IS NEVER AN OPTION.

Sorry I missed this. Wow good job! That's impressive. You as well, good job not giving up.

Her is a interesting bit. I'm right handed. So my right hand should be stronger. But it was the side that was paralyzed. So my left side has since been much stronger as a result. Twice now over the last two weeks, my left arm failed before my right on a lift. That's huge. 25 yrs that took me.
 
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This makes me think of the whole Bulletproof movement going on. Modified paleo diet with the goal of removing myco toxins and using "biohacks" to modify life/live longer.

It's cool you have healthy goals man, worst things you could be doing than eating healthy and taking vitamins. See you in Valhalla, I'll make sure to buy you a drink when you get there bro.
 
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I am 71, going on to 72. High school graduate in 1960, and in USAF basic training 9 days later. Been an Air Policeman, Combat Defense SOG. In 1967 I started as a Deputy Sheriff. There I met a base gymn manager who inspired me to make good decisions, same as my parents had done. At 18 I worked outside for 12 hours at -42 below zero, but it was my USAF job to do.

After years of exercise, farming, working 2 & 3 jobs at a time, I learned that a real MAN does what has to be done. One jobs was sales for a supplement Company from Arkansas where I learned what was possible healthwise. I was asked to make a life plan and out came "I want to live to 162, and die by a jealous husband shooting me as I leave his wife's bedroom window". At 71, we just had a terrible blizzard, you may have heard about lour 190 car whiteout accident. On my way home a car was stuck in deep road snow. I got out, and due to experience got the car free, and made path for them to drive home. Any one who would have joined me, in that blizzard, speak up and give us your life goal that is beyond what most think you are capable.
 

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My long term goal is longevity.

take what u want but know this we all got a ticket and when that ticket is called its lights out

Preordained destiny? I think not. I control mine.

Like BB said, when it's your time, it's your time. And as far as controlling your destiny, how are you going to control the fuktard that's driving a car hopped up on 4 Loco's and weed and runs a traffic light? You teens and 20 somethings on this board that are so fuking self entitled haven't got a clue. It's days like this, posts like this, that really make me miss PFM.
 
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I respect your decision to live that long. For me, I'm happy to reach age 70 :D as long my family is in good condition.
 
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My long term goal is longevity. Been at it for 20 years now. I'm shooting for over 100 and then I'll see where I stand. Once you get over that number genetics and illnesses play a large role in if your living or dying. My goal is also age prevention. It's a little game I'm playing (with good success) with myself to see how long I can keep myself looking young. In addition to the supplements and foods below, I also rub baby oil from head to toe after I have bathed, and while still in the shower. Then I rinse and towel off to take off the excess. This puts on a nice layer but you don't have any shine so people don't look at you weird lol. Any of you have the same goal? If so do you have any supplements that you can add to this list? Or whole foods? Or life style choices and etc? And I take a good multi vitamin/mineral. So I'm either going to live forever or die of liver disease lol.

:: My daily supplements ::

Vit D 5000 IU
Pycnogenol
Lycopene
Astaxanthin
N-Acetyl-Cysteine
Vit E
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Vit C
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Selenium
Grape seed extract
Lutein
CoQ-10
Zinc
S.O.D. 3
Garlic
Green Tea Extract
Milk Thistle
Beta Carotene (Vit A)
Omega 3
Multidiphilis (good gut bacteria)

---

:: I try the eat lots of these although it's hit and miss ::

- Blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, raspberries, red grapes, raisins, prunes, mixed dried fruit
- Olive oil
- Broccoli, Brussels sprouts
- V8
- Tomatoes
- Spinach
- Green tea, coffee
- Wheat germ, flax seed
- Yogurt
- Nuts, walnuts, almonds
- Beans, black beans, pinto beans, red kidney beans, small red beans
- Grape juice
- Garlic

everyone’s days are numbered my friend, when it’s our time, it’s our time. No thwarting, and no one makes it out of life alive.
Side note, most of the data on MK677 is done with elderly patients. Under close supervision (bloods) a lot of success has come in context of building blocks for longevity from ibutamoren.
 

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Preordained destiny? I think not. I control mine.


"I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul."

I used to believe that way also...

Dont forget that earlier in the poem, Henley states, "...under the bludgeonings of chance my head is bloody..."

I agree that chance greatly favors the prepared... but life can find ways of kicking your teeth in if given even a slight opportunity.

Work hard! Plan. Work your plan. ...but live each day as if it is your last.
 

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I can honestly say I'm not sure I want to live that long. I want to enjoy life without restriction and restraint. When the quality of life goes down... I say put me down like a horse.
 

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I can honestly say I'm not sure I want to live that long. I want to enjoy life without restriction and restraint. When the quality of life goes down... I say put me down like a horse.

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