1 year experiment adding Tren E to TRT regimen (6 months in)

[j2048b]

I may have kipped. Honestly, it's pretty good, but hard on the joints. Definitely a young man's game imo. Crossfit is fine. It's Crossfitters that are retarded.

We moved to Colorado Springs. Love it!!

I still deal with some insomnia, but it's mild. Nothing an OTC can't fix. Still feel I'm getting gains from it with no medical issues. I'm doing a full panel in May so ill know more than.

Oh awesome man! Haha nope, dont know the springs area! Haha !

Good to hear ur doin good man!

 

[Tren4Life]

CROSSFIT!!!

That's it your out of the club.

Nice to hear from you man, glad your doing okay

 

[trodizzle]

Nice to see things are working well on this low dose of tren. I used some of the knowledge gained from your experiment for an experiment of my own. I appreciate you sharing your experiences with us.

 

[coltmc4545]

WTF? RJ doing crossfit and moving to Colorado with the hippies?!? What is this world coming to???

 

[RJ]

WTF? RJ doing crossfit and moving to Colorado with the hippies?!? What is this world coming to???

Mlp. Yeah man it's pretty polarized out here. Luckily no one pays attention to meatheads out here.

As for well being, I feel about the same as regular trt with the exception of the occasional insomnia. Fortunately, moving to the mountain cold weather has helped the night sweats.

Mike, what comp you doing? Email me or call so we can catch up.


Ill try to get by more. Haven't had much time for boards but I like that there a lot of strength lifters here. And colt's sexy tatted Ass!!

 

[Cobra Strike]

Great thread and detailed info RJ. I love how often you get blood work and your emphasis on chol. Gives me hope! Also glad to hear your doing well....besides the gay crossfit stint that is

 

[Ezskanken]

Very good read. Love the detail involved.

 

[Winston1156]

This is a totally awesome thread. I'm stuck on statins myself due to terrible genes.

 

[PHOENIX]

What was your diet and workout frequency with these dosages?

 

[NbleSavage]

Bump for some updates on a solid Bloke (RJ).

 

[heady muscle]

Long ass title i know. Bare with me. Anyway, i little background. I'll be 40 in a few months. I have been on doc prescribed TRT since January 2008. Started at 200mg EOW. Then bumped to 300mg EOW. Left the BBing world for a while and started more of a PLing style training and added Deca/GH in 2009 for about 6 months while i bumped my test up to 750 i believe. Felt like hell after that was over and ended up at 262lbs. TSH was also at 5.5!! Walked around like that for a cpl more years and one day i got winded chasing my 4 year old son up the stairs. Decided I'd had enough (so did my wife!). So in January 2012 i started my first run with Keto. On and off for a year and I dropped 40lbs or so. Throughout those years i was usually keeping my test a bit higher than prescribed and would drop it down to 150mg a week about 6 weeks out from my yearly doc appt. mlp

Anyway, my CHOL levels, even after dropping that weight were still high. Namely LDL, HDL was decent. So i decided last year i would keep my test at the prescribed dose from now on. Added 10g of Fish Oil daily and within a few months my LDL was down, but still out of range. Total was right around 200-205.

So back in October, working with a buddy of mine who is a doc, i decided to try a little experiment for a year. I was leaner obviously dropping all that fat, but i just couldn't get that fat off that made you look lean and hard/veiny. Call it age, whatever. But i have kids and a life and would not commit to dieting like i did when competing just to have abs. I knew Tren was great for fat loss but i also knew it was hell on lipids. of course, i had, like most of us, only ever done 300mg/w or more. So we did all of our research and settled on 50mg of test and 100mg of Tren E a week. Below i will chronicle the last 6 months of this experiment.

Started November 3, 2013

All other bloods were good. I will talk about CHOL this whole time only unless something else got weird. At this point my lipids were as follows:

Total - 200
HDL - 43
LDL - 167

- after 2 weeks of this dosing schedule my dick felt like it was broken. Even on Cialis. I'm sure that part was mental but i felt like hell. Immediately bumped my test dose to 100mg and started Caber at .5mg a week. We wanted to see the effects of everything by itself which is why i didn't start the Caber right off the bat.

- 4 weeks in i was starting to get that tren look like i remembered. Even with the low dose. I also felt normal again from the bump in test dose. i know how strong tren is but this dose is rinky dink so i assumed it would be minimal. Strength was holding strong. Benching in the low 400s and pulling high 500s, low 600s.

- Did bloods at 8 weeks and got these results:

Total - 220
HDL - 30
LDL - 179
E2 - 96

- So as expected the Tren took a shot at lipids pretty early, even at this dose. I was a bit disappointed to say the least but we pressed on. I added Niacin at 500mg/d and kept the Fish Oil the same. Dropped the Tren E dose to 75mg a week. At this point i thought that dose was gonna be useless but this was a year long thing and i wasn't dying so we kept at it. One thing of note, my liver values were perfect. The E2 was really weird but i know how progesterone can be affected with these hormones so i took 25mg of Aromasin ED and in two weeks the small lump i had was gone. Hasn't been back since. mlp

- Kept at it for another 6 weeks and got bloods done again:

Total - 205 (down 15pts)
HDL - 31 (up a point... yeehaw)
LDL - 160 (down 19pts)

- So this was pretty cool. I was honestly worried that the Tren was just gonna continue killing my lipids and I'd end this thing before a year. i know its only 1 point, but it HDL didn't go down, so i was stoked. Even moreso that the LDL went down even further.

- I upped the Niacin to 1g/d and kept Fish Oil the same. Kept the Tren dose the same.

- Couldn't get in to do bloods right at 8 weeks but made it at ten weeks, which was last Friday. For whatever reason 3 weeks ago i decided to up the dose of Tren back to 100mg/w. Not sure why, probably because i'm a retard. Anyway, i also upped the Niacin dose to 1.5g/d and dropped the Fish Oil to 5g/d. Bloods came back as follows:

Total - 177 (down 28pts)
HDL - 31 (same)
LDL - 135 (down 25pts)

- Now this was/is very encouraging!! haha I would like to see my HDL higher, but i don't feel, being on Tren at any dose, that that HDL result is horrible. The drop in total due to the LDL drop is awesome. Honestly my LDL hasn't been that low in probably 5 or more years. I'm still at 100mg a week of both test and tren e and loving life. i have dropped the Fish Oil completely and will stay with this Niacin dose for another 8 weeks. Liver values and everything else is perfect.

Now, I'm gonna post some pics for reference. Things of note. I think pics like this are gay as hell. I also don't feel my physique is one for pics at home (i don't say that for compliments i just have a wide waist and narrow clavicles), and i have no idea wtf i'm doing. but i wanted to take some pics that didnt have IAT (internet angling technique) to make me look ginormous at every angle. So please excuse them if you can't see shit!! Right now I'm sitting at 222lbs or so. I am getting dunked in a week or two, but I'm guessing I'm maybe in the 10% range. Could be more, could be less. I really have no idea though. Never had a real BF test done.

Hope this helps out in any way. Experimenting with gear is the only way to find out what it will do with and without certain variables. And Tren is one of those hormones that everyone knows is awesome but it also carries the biggest amount of broscience bullshit with it. I will say i thought this was gonna be over sooner than now, so I'm happy. If it stays like this for a year it will become a mainstay to my TRT regimen. I'm not getting any younger and i still like to eat mac n cheese so i have to cheat somehow. haha

btw, Ecks and Jenner have known me for years so they can reference to how fat i was before. mlp

Incredible info here, thank you.

 

[Sledge]

How do you feel this mix has been different from one that's 200mg of test only? Greater fat loss? Strength? In other words, where do you think you'd be if you'd stuck with test only? I'm very interested in trying something similar.

 

[noonski1]

A lot of people are going to tell you low dosing is a waste of time , even for other compounds however i am on the other hand an advocate of it. I think 250 - 300 MG TEST e for example is great not only for longevity but for first cycle gains even . A lot of people would say it's too low , it won't do much .. there is plenty of reason to run it this way and they are welcome to their opinion . As far as your TREN cycle , i think this is a great idea! You know your body best and what risks you're willing to take , i would suggest bumping the dose a tiny bit though to maybe the 140-150 range but no need to go any higher! I think with good training , nutrition , the TREN low dose and the TEST dose .. you could make a solid recomp I hope this helps in some way , you probably won't need the caber but never hurts to have it . This is all about experience and learning YOUR body specifically , no one can tell you how your body works or what could work best or is working for you.

 

[JuiceTrain]

Bump......

 

[jennerrator]

Miss RJ.................................................................

 

[Seeker]

he's retired. Good for him

 

[jennerrator]

he's retired. Good for him

Yep....had a lot of fun with him yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago!:32 (20):

 

[CJ]

Good read.

 

[Gadawg]

Yep....had a lot of fun with him yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago!:32 (20):

Really? Do tell.....

 

[jennerrator]

Really? Do tell.....

lol...was on a board he ran ages ago...it was fun!