2nd cycle..have some questions

[Yatz77]

Hey guys new to the site, just came over here from ology because of a thread I came across here when googling psl.

So I'm skeptical and bummed after reading the thread because I have PSL Test Prop and Tbol.

Now I'm afraid gear is under dosed and a good chance I have dbol instead.

Sorry for long post, thanks for reading.

37 yo
6'6"
220
14% bf
1st cycle test e 500mg/wk 12 weeks

Original plan for cycle was going to be
125 mg test prop eod wk 1-10
50mg tbol ed wk 1-4
100 mg npp eod 3-10
.25 mg Adex eod

Npp is from a different source

I'm wondering now if I should add back in my TRT dose too 120 mg test e keeps me at 1000+

Thinking that way if gear is under dosed the enth should keep me at my norm. Wouldn't this also make transition back to trt smooth?

So it would look like this
Test E 35mg eod week 1-10
Test prop 125mg eod week 1-10
Npp 100mg eod week 3-10
Tbol 50mg ed week 1-4
Adex .25 eod

Thoughts? Also with prop how long should I wait before getting bloods?

 

[Maintenance Man]

I don't think there's anything wrong with adding a lil bit of E to the prop cycle at all. Especially if you feel that your gear may be under dosed. Hell I did the same thing but I used MUCH more to ensure I had a good run. I ran thru a lot of oil but the results are worth it. I think the transition back to TRT would be easy either way tho really.

Bloods for prop should be done from week 3-4 at the earliest to get a good serum level. Sounds like its gonna be a good cycle. I hope it does go well and hopefully that Tbol is Dbol instead of sugar pills or something lol. Really man only one way to find out and its just running it. Let her rip and see what happens.

 

[Yatz77]

Ok, thanks MM. I'm going to go ahead and run it with the Trt dose in there as well. I truly hope the gear is decent. After ordering I found a good local source, a little bit more expensive but through someone I really trust. Going to try out that NPP.

 

[nastyNate]

If you have good information that the prop is under dosed I like the idea of continuing to run your trt. What was the reason for the short ester cycle and why not run longer?

 

[snake]

Yatz77,

If you had bloods done recently, which it sounds like you did on your TRT, take MM advice on getting some more done at the 3-4 week mark. I would really like to see you stretch out that cycle to 12 weeks min. It may take 6 weeks for you to start feeling some size and then you're going to be cutting yourself off in only 4 more weeks. But let me add, your TRT has you coasting at +1000 on only 120 mg (nice!) so you should continue to make gains weeks after your blast is over.

If you're running a TRT dose, all you have to do is when your done cycling, hop back to that dose since TRT has no PCT. My guess is your nut have been shut down for some time. No Hcg in your TRT program, right?

 

[Yatz77]

If you have good information that the prop is under dosed I like the idea of continuing to run your trt.

I don't have evidence that gear is under dosed exactly, however I read a thread here that Maintenance Man started about PSL and how is gear was under dosed and or different then what he ordered. I think I was duped by some at ology praising them. Hopefully it's gtg, but I'm skeptical now.

 

[Yatz77]

What was the reason for the short ester cycle and why not run longer?

The reason I originally went with and ordered prop was I had a buddy telling me to do a prop tren cycle. He was adamant about it I was leery. Ordered the prop he had the tren.

I did a lot of reading about tren, the good bad and the ugly, and came to conclusion I was not ready for that beast on second cycle. The prop was ordered and processed. From what I read about prop ester is that it's faster acting and therefore levels raise then stabilize quicker then test e so you don't need as long as cycles. I have enough prop that I could run it 12 weeks at 500mg per week. Is that overkill with prop? If extend it to 12 weeks do I extend the npp too?
My thought was do a medium sized dose of npp for a short run just to see how my bod does with a 19nor.

 

[nastyNate]

Ok, its really not the ester length that dictates the cycle length but yea it is involved in how long it takes to stabilize serum levels. The effects of aas also has to do with upregulation of the androgen receptor which is partly why it takes a little while for the effects to be seen. You can run the test p as long as any of the other esters it just gets old pinning every other day. If you have enough test for 12 weeks I'd do 12 weeks. I would extend the npp to 12 weeks as well.

 

[Yatz77]

So how do you recommend that I dose the two? Been reading a bit more and some say 2:1 test:npp to avoid sides. Definitely want my dick to work. Should I go. 600 prop 300 NPP?

 

[Yatz77]

So I think I'm going to run the cycle like this:

Week 1-12 Test Prop 125mg eod
Week 1-12 Test E 35mg eod
Week 1-4 T-Bol 50mg ed
Week 3-12 NPP 85mg eod
Week 1-12 Adex .25 mg eod

That puts my test dose around 560mg/week on avg, seems a good place to start and I have enough prop to up dose a bit I feel it's needed.

So I started this past Monday. There was no bite at all when pinning, which kind of surprised me since I've heard prop can sting. Pinned right quad on M and left Q today. There is a bit of tightness/soreness in right Q but I think that's probably just from the amount of oil I just stuck into it.

Not sure if this should be happening already with prop, but today was off from lifting and I played basketball for a couple hours. I wiped hand across chest and I was drenched in sweat but the consistency was very greased/oily.

Been thinking of sticking my dick in any cute little chick that walks by, more so then usual.

Not sure if this is related at all or just a coincidence but I have gotten great sleep last couple of days. Which is odd cuz I work thirds and usually get broken sleep. Last two days slept eight hours straight through...

 

[motley482]

I just started my tesp prop cycle last week 100mg EOD...ive been sleeping solid ever since I aslo work third shift so its def a good thing...also when im lifting I feel 10xs better than I did prior to cycle and am much hornier as well so yes this shit kicks in quickly lol...probly wont know gains for another few weeks but def kicking in early

 

[Yatz77]

I just started my tesp prop cycle last week 100mg EOD...ive been sleeping solid ever since I aslo work third shift so its def a good thing...also when im lifting I feel 10xs better than I did prior to cycle and am much hornier as well so yes this shit kicks in quickly lol...probly wont know gains for another few weeks but def kicking in early

That's good to hear. Glad that it's not just in my head. As a third shifter anything that improves sleep is great. I have felt pretty good in gym, and the pumped up feeling seems to be lasting longer after working out.

Left quad was really sore/tight this morning. But has relieved quite a bit. Anxious to see the gains!

 

[motley482]

Ya I do believe a little bit is excitement that we build up and start to put things in our heads lol but ive def noticed the difference physically and mentally so its only gonna get better once the gains kick in

 

[Yatz77]

I just started my tesp prop cycle last week 100mg EOD...ive been sleeping solid ever since I aslo work third shift so its def a good thing...also when im lifting I feel 10xs better than I did prior to cycle and am much hornier as well so yes this shit kicks in quickly lol...probly wont know gains for another few weeks but def kicking in early

How many cycles have you ran? Is current cycle prop only? How long are you running it?

 

[motley482]

This is my third cycle...im running 400mg a week of test prop for 8 weeks then starting some test cyp or test E on week 6 up to 16 weeks...I shud have started with the long ester first but diddnt work out that way....im only running test cause ive had great gains on it alone but next cycle ill do deca or dbol with test

 

[motley482]

That's good to hear. Glad that it's not just in my head. As a third shifter anything that improves sleep is great. I have felt pretty good in gym, and the pumped up feeling seems to be lasting longer after working out.

Left quad was really sore/tight this morning. But has relieved quite a bit. Anxious to see the gains!

Btw when I start my test cyp on week 6 ill bump it up to 500mg a week

 

[nastyNate]

So how do you recommend that I dose the two? Been reading a bit more and some say 2:1 test:npp to avoid sides. Definitely want my dick to work. Should I go. 600 prop 300 NPP?

Ive not had any issues up to 1:1 test:nandrolone but I know some people have to do 2:1 or they feel crappy. 600/400 test/npp imo would be reasonable. The lowest dose of nandrolone Ive used was 600 so don't have personal experience with 400 but I doubt much difference in the two. One of my favorite cycles was 800/week of test e and 660/week of deca.

At 6'6 and 220 you're probably not carrying a whole lot of extra body fat. Given the impact that has on conversion of test to e2 personally I would hold off on the adex until later in the cycle. You may not need it at all. Everyone converts t to e at a different rate. some people convert but then have no symptoms (lower e receptor density either acquired or genetic). What I would do is about week 4 get some labs and see where your e is. If you have estrogen symptoms prior to that then check earlier. If labs are not an option and someone wants to do empiric ai prophylaxis I think starting a low dose after 4 weeks is the way to go.

 

[Yatz77]

Thanks Nate, you are correct I don't have a lot of bf, I've been working really hard last 8 weeks to drop the BF%.

My first cycle I thought I was around 15, but from what I know now I was more like low 20's. I did have some conversion issues, retained quite a bit of water, and experienced a short bout of ED. Got labs and e2 was around 85, not crazy high but high enough to cause me some grief.

I'm much leaner, but I really want to limit bloat and obviously don't want the ED. My trt also has me on .25 Adex ETD.

My weight already has been flexing 5 lbs throughout day so I imagine I'm already holding water.

 

[nastyNate]

yatz i'm also a fan of having cialis or any of the pde5's on hand. screwing with hormones like we do with cycle doses always runs the risk at some point of having issues with the boners. whats there not to like about a boner pill?

 

[Yatz77]

I'm a fan of boners so by default I'm a fan of boner pills. I actually got a script for cialis from TRT doc and have a few sitting in my drawer and can refill as needed. I only needed one last cycle, because I split in half and it didn't take me long to straighten it out after adjusting AI dose.

Hopefully since I'm leaner now, it will be less of an issue and more easily managed. I do plan on getting labs around week 4.

On another note injected left delt today. Was a bit nervous about pumping almost 2 ml of oil in there. Was going to split between the two sides, but durring inj said fk it and blAsted the rest in there. It's a little tender. Lol

Had a kick ass workout today. I know it's early to say it's anything from gear, but my drive focus and intensity were way up. Probably cuz I know what's about to happen. I didn't want to leave the gym. Incredible pumps, may be in my head but doesn't matter cuz I feel great!