RPE System of Training

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Let’s talk about RPE, its benefits and how to program or at least how to transition into an RPE controlled program.

What is it?

Getting stronger requires two things; high intensity levels in training, meaning go heavy as well as management of fatigue levels. Some of us have experienced this first hand, seen it happen to someone else, or have at least heard that if you train maximally for too many sessions in a row, you will stop progressing and in many cases start sliding backwards.

Using RPE allows you to train at high intensity, with volume but to manage your fatigue level using your own intuition. RPE stands for Rate of Perceived Exertion.

To explain this very generally and in as few words as possible


- Do a set, whether a single or set of 100 reps, and rate this set on a scale of 1 to 10. A 1 would be as easy as possible and a 10 would be a maximal effort. So an RPE value of 9 would mean you have one rep left in the tank at the end of the set. An RPE of 8 would mean two left in the tank and so on.
Simple enough right? Well it really is. As I stated before you use your own intuition to manage your stress levels per set. So if you wake up and feel like crap, if you missed a meal or 2 that day, if things were stressful at work and you can’t bench 400 for sets of 5 like you did last week that’s fine. You just have to hit the prescribed RPE value.

Essentially, you hit your target RPE and can walk out of the gym feeling like you accomplished something every single time you train.

How to Program:

Most strength athletes are used to training on a program that is based on percents of 1rm. Whether you have trained 5/3/1, westide, cube you have gotten used to squat Monday for speed at around 50 to 60%, bench Wednesday for reps around 70 to 80% and deadlift heavy at 80 to 90%. Rep ranges are typically chosen using Prilepin’s table.

With RPE you build your volume with reps of course but how would you do this without falling into the programming pitfall of linear progression? Through undulation of the rep ranges and volume. More on this as I explain the transition to RPE.

There are 4 types of sets you will program. You begin by working up to your “top set.” The heaviest you will go for the day.

Example: Squat @9 1 set * 3 reps

So you work up in triples until you hit @9. This is the first type of set.

From there you build in volume by using repeat sets, fatigue (load) drops, or rep drops.

Repeat sets give two @RPE assignments. You work up to your first assigned @RPE value and continue performing sets until you reach the second @RPE assignment.

Example: Squat @8 until @9 1 set * 3 reps

So you work up to an @8, rest and continue doing triples until you reach @RPE 9. If you do all sets and still feel you’re @8 then you undershot the RPE. If you attempt your first repeat set and are @10 and form breaks down then you overshot your @RPE for the first set.

For fatigue, also known as load drop sets, you work up to your top set for the day. From there you drop a percentage of the weight off the bar and continue to work as prescribed.

Example: Squat @9 1*3; fatigue drop 10% 2-4*3

So you squat triples up until you reach @9. Say that’s 400 pounds. You then strip 10% or 40lbs off the bar and continue doing triples in this case for two to four more sets. Once you strip the 10% off the RPE should fall between an @7 or @8. If you can’t complete one back-off set you overshot the RPE. If you complete all 4 then you undershot the RPE. Once you reach the original @RPE assignment of @9 you stop there even if it’s only set 2 or 3 of a possible 4.
To complete a rep drop, it’s similar to a fatigue drop. Except that the weight on the bar stays the same, but the number of reps per set will drop. This will drop the @RPE assignment and allow for what are essentially back off sets.

Example: Squat @9 1*3; rep drop 2-4*2

So you work up to a triple @9. From there you rest and perform more sets but only for doubles now. If @9 means you have one left in the tank after a triple, then arguably dropping to a double should bring you to @8. So you do the doubles and work up to your original @RPE assignment of @9 in this case.
Now as I mentioned above, you need to have some undulation in there to avoid linear progression. With linear progression, at some point you’ll stop making progress entirely and turn into an old washed up blow hard like Mark Rippetoe.

Your undulation can be worked in, in several ways. You can switch out main lifts and use a conjugate method. You can keep the competition lifts in, but change out the assistance work from week to week. The method I prefer is to keep assistance lifts in for around 3 to 4 weeks and always practice the competition lifts. So I build in some undulation by varying rep ranges. In some cases I am pushing the bounds of fatigue, but there is a lighter day each week which generally allows some recuperation and the use of RPE allows the athlete to manage their own fatigue levels. If they can’t complete all sets, they stop.

I accomplish undulation by having the athlete lift to their top set, but their back off sets are all varying rep ranges. Their back off sets for week 1 may be 9 sets of 10; week 2 may be 4 sets of 5; and, week 3 may be 5 sets of 3. They are not strictly required to get all sets. Simply follow the assigned @RPE values I provide.

How to Transition
I have had clients who were given RPE based programs where they had no experience working with RPE. After explaining it all, they were still nervous. They liked the comfort they get from knowing what weight they must hit that day with a program based on %1RM.

So I began transitioning these clients by using RPE values for only their accessory work. So a sample day might look something like this:

Monday
Bench @70% 5*5
Floor Press @9 1*3; repeat until @10
Triceps Band Pushdown @10 5*10
Barbell Row @8 5*10

So they do their bench at 70% and are happy. But they have to work to understand the RPE system and get used to it. Then once they have gotten the hang of RPE and stop complaining about it, I pull the rug out of their percentage based programming and watch them smash PR’s left and right by letting them determine their own top sets.

If you really want to get a much deeper understanding of RPE for coaching purposes, then grab a copy of Mike Tuscherer’s RTS manual. For the trainee, this should be enough for you to understand how to get through a training day using an RPE system and maybe put some sort of a program together for yourself.

If a properly crafted custom training program that uses RPE values is what you are looking for then shoot me a PM and let’s talk about your goals.

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Good write up pillar.

One thing I don't like about rpe is u can start doubting yourself and stopping your set sooner than u should. Or vice versa. I don't think rpe is for a newbie. More for the experienced guys who know what kind of weights they are able to push. That's just my opinion.

Edit: I should have added that I've only used rpe system on accessory work.
 
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Still trying to figure this out for my programming. Looks more ideal but still seems fairly confusing. So how do I know what weight to put on the bar if the system is based on how the weight feels at the time? Wouldn't you only be able to determine the RPE after the fact? If I walk into the gym and want to bench 1x3 at 9 RPE, and say I load 300 pounds on the bar and perform the 3 reps, but feel like I have 3 more, then it wouldn't be a 9 RPE. Or would I start lower, and ULTIMATELY work up to that 1x3 at 9 RPE? This probably didn't make sense. Not sure how to phrase the question.
 

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Milo I'm sure your asking pob but u would work your way up to that rpe 9. And don't count the set until u hut that first rpe 9. Make sense?
 

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Milo I'm sure your asking pob but u would work your way up to that rpe 9. And don't count the set until u hut that first rpe 9. Make sense?

So would the goal of the whole training session be to hit the 1X3 @9 RPE?
 

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Yes milo.....

But as pob talks about there is load drops or fatigue drops. Let him explain. He's smarter. Lol. I bench more tho.
 
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So would the goal of the whole training session be to hit the 1X3 @9 RPE?

The RPE isn't for a true beginner but an intermediate and advanced lifter should have a good idea of what weight you'll be able to do for a particular RPE and reps. The more you think about it and apply it the better you'll get.

Tuchscherer will typically have 2 heavy sets before his top set for the added volume. So if you think you'll get 300lbs for a tripLE @ RPE 9, you'd do something like

280x3 RPE 7
290x3 RPE 8
300x3 RPE 9

The 300x3 @9 was your goal for the day and you hit it. Now to add more stress and volume to the workout you can add in some of the concepts POB talked about like load drops, rep drops, etc. Your programming for the day for squats cousin look something like this

Squats: X3 @ 9; 5% load drop

What that means is you'd work up to a triple in squats @ RPE 9. Then to add volume you take off 5% of the weight of the top set and do triples until you get back to RPE 9

280x 3 @7
290x 3 @8
300x 3 @9
10% load drop
270x3 @6.5
270x3 @7.5
270x3 @8.5
270x3'@9

You hit a top set of 300, dropped the weight 10 % and did triples with 270 until you hit the particular fatigue percent you aimed for. The 4sets of 3reps after with 270 will be your auto regulated volume for that day. On a very good day you might need an extra set or two while on a bad day you might need a set or two less. It allied ends how you're performing that particular day.
 

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This has helped me understand it tons better already.
 

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So would the goal of the whole training session be to hit the 1X3 @9 RPE?

Read docs response.

I would simplify what he said by telling you start being aware of your rpe 7, 8 and use that to predict your 9.

If you are at an rpe 7 for a trip on squats maybe 30 pounds or so takes you to and 8 or 8.5 make a small jump 10 to 20 for a 9.
 

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Makes more sense now. How often can someone stay inside 9 RPE range? For example if on ME Lower days, I work up to a 1RM PR attempt every Monday, is this ideal?
 

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Makes more sense now. How often can someone stay inside 9 RPE range? For example if on ME Lower days, I work up to a 1RM PR attempt every Monday, is this ideal?

It depends on the reps associated with RPE 9. For example a x1 @ 9 is roughly 95% of your max where as a x5 @ 9 is only about 85% of your max. Tuchscherer recommends not spending too much time working above 90% for the level of stress it places on you. Doing the conjugate method kind of gets around that by swapping out lifts.

If you went with a true 1RM each ME day then it would be an RPE 10
 

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Makes more sense now. How often can someone stay inside 9 RPE range? For example if on ME Lower days, I work up to a 1RM PR attempt every Monday, is this ideal?

Most of my guys work up to a 9 damn near every training day. For one top set. But like doc said conjugate or undulations of the rep schemes will stop it from turning into linear progression.

Swap out assistance lifts frequently. Do sets from doubles to 7. Avoid singles @9.
 

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It depends on the reps associated with RPE 9. For example a x1 @ 9 is roughly 95% of your max where as a x5 @ 9 is only about 85% of your max. Tuchscherer recommends not spending too much time working above 90% for the level of stress it places on you. Doing the conjugate method kind of gets around that by swapping out lifts.

If you went with a true 1RM each ME day then it would be an RPE 10

Most of my guys work up to a 9 damn near every training day. For one top set. But like doc said conjugate or undulations of the rep schemes will stop it from turning into linear progression.

Swap out assistance lifts frequently. Do sets from doubles to 7. Avoid singles @9.

Thanks guys. Yeah basically what I've been doing is going for a 1RM PR every Monday, and about every 3 weeks or so I will switch the lifts out. For example right now I'm doing back squat with buffalo bar and 2 weeks from now I'll switch to something like SSB squats.
 

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The RPE was new to me. I liked it a lot. It certainly helps because you don't always have the same amount of strength/energy everyday for your workout but, it makes you feel like you still did a maximum workout.
 

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Pillar has me on this now and it is taking me some time to get used too but I do like when i do it right.......
 

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I have a drawing of the RPE system I did a while back. I honestly feel that every good coach/trainer should incorporate the RPE system into their clients training. Or at least a part of it
 

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I was really nervous going into reading the RPE system for the second time. I read the OP when Pillar first posted it, but because it didn't pertain to me, I didn't absorb it. Now that it will be a part of my program and I read it the second time, if I am understanding it correctly its way more simple than I remember and can't wait to start it up tomorrow!
Thanks for the write up Pillar, I watched a few video before reading this thinking it would give me a better base on how it worked, your write up made the video explanations seem like rocket science. You did well making it easy for the simpletons like me to understand.
 

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The hardest part is being honest with yourself

I'd like to think I can push myself to stay true, always easier said than done right.
I can't squander the opportunity, and now owe a commitment to not only myself but Mick and PoB.
Just wish I had better starting number so my possible log would be more enjoyable for the people who might be interested in it.
 

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