Long Cycle of Tren, Sus, Primo and Mast.

[PNSN1984]

I am about to start a long and pretty intense cycle and would love some input on it.
My cycle as planned,

Weeks 1-12
Sus-500mg/PW
Tren E-600mg/PW

Weeks 13-18
Sus-250mg/PW
Tren E-300mg/PW
Primo E-300mg/PW
Mast E-300mg/PW

I have 4 cycles under my belt but never anything this long.
My previous cycles were
1. Deca and Sus
2. Deca and Sus
3. Tren and Sus
4. Tren, Deca, Sus

My stats at the moment are
31yrs old
6'4"
240lbs
About 15-16% BF

Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

 

[DF]

What are your goals for this cycle?

 

[widehips71]

I don't see the point in running Primo and Mast E for such a short time. I also question the ability to get much from those doses

 

[DF]

I agree with Hips. Running Primo at that dose for that short of period is a waste. Also running a low dose of mast for that short of a period is a waste.

 

[PNSN1984]

My goal is to get back to at least 255lbs and ripped.
I have never tried Primo or Mast and a gym buddy had a bottle of each left over.
I only have 1500mg of each so I figured that would be good enough at the end of a cycle to try.

 

[PNSN1984]

I have heard as long as you combine both together you can take a lower dose since both have the same affects.

 

[DF]

I have heard as long as you combine both together you can take a lower dose since both have the same affects.

They are long esters. It's pointelss to take them for 5-6 weeks.

 

[PNSN1984]

So my best bet would be to try and get another bottle of each Primo and Mast I take it. Besides the shortness of Mast and Primo what are your thoughts?

 

[PNSN1984]

I can get my hands on some Winny so I may take Winny for the last 6-8 weeks of the cycle at 40-50mg a day.

 

[PNSN1984]

And just do away with the Primo and Mast.

 

[PNSN1984]

Any Thoughts?

 

[PNSN1984]

After speaking to a gym buddy I think I'm just gonna take Tren and Sus for a 12 week cycle and then take Sus/Winny cycle after recovery and 4-8 weeks off.

 

[tunafisherman]

18 weeks on tren can be a bitch on your body if you aren't careful and monitor your blood levels. I personally wouldn't take it for that long, but to each their own. What's your PCT plan?

 

[PNSN1984]

I am gonna take a 15 week cycle of Tren and Sus now.
Tren E-600mg/PW
Sus-500mg/PW
I plan on running Clomid for PCT at 100/100/75/50.
Wait 4-8 weeks and start up a cutting cycle of Sus and Winny.
Sus-250mg/PW
Winny-40-50mg/ED
Would you recommend anything different?
My goal is to gain atleast 25lbs on the Tren and Sus cycle of lean mass and cut on the Sus/Winny cycle. I have always had a problem keeping the weight on during cutting but then again my cutting has always just been a really strict diet and 20min of cardio after every work out.
I gained 25lbs on my Tren/Deca/Sus cycle but after a intense diet and cardio I lost almost every bit of the weight but I must say I went from about 14-15% BF to about 10% BF.

 

[John Ziegler]

Go with test primo or test mast for 15 weeks fuk all that other crap especially winstrol.

 

[tunafisherman]

You should have both Clomid and Nolva for the PCT. There are many threads on how to do a proper PCT. Yes, clomid only will work, but you will not recover as well as if you take both of them like you should. Don't forget to get blood work done and follow all the typical rules that are laid out in the many many threads here on UG.

 

[ToolSteel]

Is 4 weeks off even worth it? Wouldn't it be better to cruise between the two if one was dead set on the rest of the cycle plan?

 

[PNSN1984]

I would be all for the Sus/Primo or Sus/Mast cycle but I do not think I would see big gains in size wise.
I'm sure that would be a awesome cutting cycle though. I am 240lbs now and my goal is to be atleast 255lbs but completely cut.
My goal is 265lbs but let's all be honest here that's a great goal but the chances of that is pretty slim. I will be happy with 255lbs again but extremely lean.

 

[Beefcake]

Masteron is more for precontest from what I heard. I just did a test/mast/var cycle to cut. The mast gave me great pumps but that's about it. I wouldn't do it again. Tren gave me very bad sweats 24/7 so if I ever do that again it would be at a lower does like 200 to cut out some of the negative sides. I never tried primo so I can't comment on that. Is your diet in check?

 

[DF]

And just do away with the Primo and Mast.

Primo is a very mild anabolic. It need to be taken at high dose & long duration. I wouldn't do any less than 800mg for 20 weeks. I don't think this is a compound that you want to use to acheive your goals. The only reason IMO to use a low dose mast is to keep the pp hard & doing the job for the lady.