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    Testosterone (and it's benefits) are for the wealthy?

    Guy A, with enough money practically walks into an "anti-aging" clinic, and walks out with a script for whatever dosage he wants of pharmacy grade, legal testosterone. Then gets on an airplane with it no problem.

    Guy B has bills to pay. He's on a budget, still he scrapes up 200 bucks for a few vials of test from a reliable source. He is now a criminal and can be arrested/punished for possessing illegal Schedule III drugs.

    I fought in a war for my country because I love it, but this kind of stuff makes me sick.

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    What you're saying could be said about any illegal drug or controlled substance.

    Get a script or get it by other means. We all live by the same rules and there's no welfare program for steroids.
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    Originally Posted by NOx View Post
    Guy A, with enough money practically walks into an "anti-aging" clinic, and walks out with a script for whatever dosage he wants of pharmacy grade, legal testosterone. Then gets on an airplane with it no problem.

    Guy B has bills to pay. He's on a budget, still he scrapes up 200 bucks for a few vials of test from a reliable source. He is now a criminal and can be arrested/punished for possessing illegal Schedule III drugs.

    I fought in a war for my country because I love it, but this kind of stuff makes me sick.
    Well if you fought in a war for this country and you are "Guy B", you should use the GI Bill, go to college, and try to become "Guy A". I have multiple friends/coworkers that used the GI Bill and got paid to get an education and now they are doing really well.

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    Guys the answer to this dilemma is simple: we kill the batman.



    That being said, does it really cost that much for legal test? Saw bigger, faster, stronger and he got the legal test super easily but I don't believe he ever mentions a price.
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    Originally Posted by Dex View Post
    Well if you fought in a war for this country and you are "Guy B", you should use the GI Bill, go to college, and try to become "Guy A". I have multiple friends/coworkers that used the GI Bill and got paid to get an education and now they are doing really well.
    This is a very true statement.
    I work full time and go to school full time. Barely make enough money to get by with the added expense of having to drive twice as much ect.
    My friend goes to school full-time and get paid to do it my the govt. because he fought for our country for 10 years. He deserves every penny given to him.
    The end will be the same for us but he lived the harder life for the first ten years, I'll live the harder life the last ten years before we finish.

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    Thanks for your service NoX. Youre right, its some bullshit. But from my experience it wasn't all that expensive if you just get test. I remember about 5 years ago I paid $1000-$1200 for a 3 month supply of test e, winnie/var mix, deca, and anaztrazole. So test alone would've been pretty cheap. Not sure how things have changed since then though.

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    First thanks for serving and protecting our county!!

    2nd I agree with Dex in this one. I know a guy that used the GI bill for school and is doing EXTREMELY well.
    NOx, are you able to use this and go back to school?

    3rd FACT its under 25 bucks a month to be on legit TRT from your GP. Thats just testosterone getting you to normal numbers.

    I think what your assuming about 'Guy A' is hes getting HRT not just TRT by going to a specialist getting maybe a higher dose of TRT with 2iu of HGH and x,y, & z. To go along with it. Then gets on his private airplane and flys back to wherever. YES, I think that would be much much more. I know for a FACT that its anywhere from 900.00 - 1200.00 bucks to get a script for HGH from a specialist and its relative to about .9 - 1.8 iu obviously depending on your #'s.

    I assume your refering to DOSE?
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    Originally Posted by NOx View Post

    I fought in a war for my country because I love it, but this kind of stuff makes me sick.
    I always found it odd that our country could put a rifle in an 18 year olds hand and send him/her off to some country to go and fight. But when you got back home to the same country, no one could put a beer in the same hand because you weren't 21 yet.
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    TRT can be pretty expensive. Even with my union health insurance my TRT program was costing me about $3000 a year. Now I do it myself for about $200 a year. **** you health care system.

    Doesn't your local VA cover TRT? I believe one of my buddies, who was a marine for 12 years, gets his TRT through the local VA. I'll ask him and let you know NOx.
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    NOx, my buddy just texted me back.Yes, his local VA covers his TRT therapy. He gets Test Cyp injections of 200 mg/wk. So dip on down to your local VA and get the ball rolling. That's the least they can do for you for your service. Take advantage bud!
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    Originally Posted by Dex View Post
    Well if you fought in a war for this country and you are "Guy B", you should use the GI Bill, go to college, and try to become "Guy A". I have multiple friends/coworkers that used the GI Bill and got paid to get an education and now they are doing really well.
    Actually, I used my GI bill to go to trade school and have a very good paying union job. Hell, one day of overtime paid for the entire test only cycle I did. I can afford to self pay, just don't want to. Most important to me is getting monitored by
    a professional. I have used the VA for my medical. They are so F'in slow to get anything done it took 8 months to get the correct prescription eyeglasses. Now that I have good health insurance I want to try them out. VA doc told me once when I asked about test levels that he was against prescribing test to someone my age pretty much no matter what the case.

    My point here is that I feel the legal risks of self administered trt are unjustly severe. While I am able to pay for it myself if I have to, there are many who would benefit greatly that can't going the legal route.

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    Originally Posted by snake View Post
    I always found it odd that our country could put a rifle in an 18 year olds hand and send him/her off to some country to go and fight. But when you got back home to the same country, no one could put a beer in the same hand because you weren't 21 yet.
    I always found it odd that any country could put a rifle in an 18 year olds hand, period.

    I actually thought that I was a man with ideals. Now I know I was a brainwashed kid.

    I don't want my kids knowing how to kill ppl, before even knowing how to f*ck properly.

    I was so proud of myself and my actions, and one day I woke up understanding that I've destroyed lives. As a father I am ashamed of myself.

    I don't know if you see it in your news in the US, but we have a bit of troubles lately here in Israel. My kids don't go out to play, and I'm literally going to work like Rambo (It's quite funny actually).

    Ok, enough about my sh*t, sorry for that out-burst, carry on.

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    My 2 cents, I hate people who use the "I fought for this country" line to get more free shit. I fought in 2 wars for this country, but don't need to advertise it, and I have turned down many free meals etc. I prefer free things be given to the families of my brothers that didn't come home.

    That said, use you GI bill. I'm getting paid to become a lawyer. Not a bad deal. My internship pays me more than I made as a 10 year active duty captain on deployment. Less competitive internships don't pay that much less--like $700 or so a week less.

    To your original point, I think the issue is to get steroids off of the illegal substance list, and that only happens through education of the general populace. Strap up your boots and educate those around you, or just go on with the status quo. I have placed many fliers at local gyms about the benefits of TRT, and how test was labeled evil during the early years of the drug war through mis-information.

    Oh, and because you so blatantly need it, thanks for your service.

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    Originally Posted by tunafisherman View Post
    My 2 cents, I hate people who use the "I fought for this country" line to get more free shit. I fought in 2 wars for this country, but don't need to advertise it, and I have turned down many free meals etc. I prefer free things be given to the families of my brothers that didn't come home.

    That said, use you GI bill. I'm getting paid to become a lawyer. Not a bad deal. My internship pays me more than I made as a 10 year active duty captain on deployment. Less competitive internships don't pay that much less--like $700 or so a week less.

    To your original point, I think the issue is to get steroids off of the illegal substance list, and that only happens through education of the general populace. Strap up your boots and educate those around you, or just go on with the status quo. I have placed many fliers at local gyms about the benefits of TRT, and how test was labeled evil during the early years of the drug war through mis-information.

    Oh, and because you so blatantly need it, thanks for your service.
    Settle down dude. He's proud to be a veteran. Not to mention I've seen you state the fact many, many times. Also that you're a lawyer in training, I've read that about 30 times.
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    I have stated I was a veteran, I have not stated "I fought for this country/your freedom/etc, now I deserve free stuff.". And yes, I am a lawyer in training, something I am proud of as it is making life for my family much much easier.

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    Originally Posted by tunafisherman View Post
    I have stated I was a veteran, I have not stated "I fought for this country/your freedom/etc, now I deserve free stuff.". And yes, I am a lawyer in training, something I am proud of as it is making life for my family much much easier.
    Well, I found your post to be very condescending. He's a new member and simply stated he thinks the Military should pay for his TRT, which I agree with. I never saw him demanding "free shit". You can think whatever you wish. Being part of a military family, my opinion is take all the free shit you can get. Veterans are treated like garbage and the health care sucks. Take care.
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    Originally Posted by Assassin32 View Post
    Well, I found your post to be very condescending. He's a new member and simply stated he thinks the Military should pay for his TRT, which I agree with. I never saw him demanding "free shit". You can think whatever you wish. Being part of a military family, my opinion is take all the free shit you can get. Veterans are treated like garbage and the health care sucks. Take care.
    Our VA is garbage, no disagreements there. I don't think the military should pay for TRT unless it's from a service connected injury (i.e. IED blast removing testicles, which happens frequently). I don't care if people want to give free stuff to veterans/active duty if they want to as a way to say "thanks". I do have an issue with people asking for discounts or free stuff simply because they made the decision to serve. Perhaps I've just heard it enough, and the vast majority of the time it is from people who shouldn't be asking for it--most wounded warriors I have worked with/lead feel very strongly against veterans requesting/stating they deserve free stuff. For example, BWW gives a 10% discount to veterans on food. I got it from a server who knew I was in the military. I gave them an extra 10% tip. I don't need handouts, nor do I deserve one for doing a job that destroyed my body and parts of my life.

    Either way, I'm sure i'd buy this guy a beer and bullshit with him in person. But if I heard him ask for a veterans discount or free stuff i'd call him out in person there as well.

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    Originally Posted by tunafisherman View Post
    Our VA is garbage, no disagreements there. I don't think the military should pay for TRT unless it's from a service connected injury (i.e. IED blast removing testicles, which happens frequently). I don't care if people want to give free stuff to veterans/active duty if they want to as a way to say "thanks". I do have an issue with people asking for discounts or free stuff simply because they made the decision to serve. Perhaps I've just heard it enough, and the vast majority of the time it is from people who shouldn't be asking for it--most wounded warriors I have worked with/lead feel very strongly against veterans requesting/stating they deserve free stuff. For example, BWW gives a 10% discount to veterans on food. I got it from a server who knew I was in the military. I gave them an extra 10% tip. I don't need handouts, nor do I deserve one for doing a job that destroyed my body and parts of my life.

    Either way, I'm sure i'd buy this guy a beer and bullshit with him in person. But if I heard him ask for a veterans discount or free stuff i'd call him out in person there as well.
    I respect that. Just like you should respect another soldiers willingness to accept a discount that he earned. Just because you disagree, that gives you the right to criticize? You did accept your GI bill for school and training, correct?
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    Holy sh*tstorm batman. Where did I ever ask for anything free? Never have. Used my GI Bill for school. I have private insurance I'm trying to use from my work.
    Only reason I mentioned it in my original post is that I meant "Sometimes I wonder whos freedoms I really was protecting, everyones or just the wealthy"?
    I actually feel kind of uncomfortable when people thank me for some reason.

    Tunafish, the tone of your post was not appreciated.

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