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    Are we talking GPP/SPP for powerlifting? If so it needs to be SPECIFIC. Kettle bell swings are great but don't transfer to PL.
    Edit: Mainly for SPP. I think people get too wrapped around GPP and waste time and resources on something with less than tangible returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo View Post
    Are we talking GPP/SPP for powerlifting? If so it needs to be SPECIFIC. Kettle bell swings are great but don't transfer to PL.
    Edit: Mainly for SPP. I think people get too wrapped around GPP and waste time and resources on something with less than tangible returns.
    I completely disagree with you, sorry man... if you look at the fundamentals/mechanics of the kb swing, the movements and power transfer is very similar and synergistic for the deadlift and squat (albeit different, but synergistic non the less). Olympic lifters train with the kettle bell do to its versatility, conditioning, and strength building qualities... I would say it is definitely tangible and useful for PLing.... I personally think as far as conditioning and explosiveness goes, kb swings would be a great addition...
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    I could see it as being somewhat effective at warming you up, but I don't see an ounce of transferability. An exercise should either make you a) stronger in the lift, or b) increase the size of the muscles utilized in the lift. I don't think it does either.
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    Maybe if we're talking about some heavy ass kettle bells. But even with the heaviest ones at my gym which are I think 80 pounds, I don't feel have much use. What's the ideal rep range for strength gain? 4-7ish? 8-12 for hypertrophy? That would have to be a heavy ass kettle bell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by automatonDan View Post
    I completely disagree with you, sorry man... if you look at the fundamentals/mechanics of the kb swing, the movements and power transfer is very similar and synergistic for the deadlift and squat (albeit different, but synergistic non the less). Olympic lifters train with the kettle bell do to its versatility, conditioning, and strength building qualities... I would say it is definitely tangible and useful for PLing.... I personally think as far as conditioning and explosiveness goes, kb swings would be a great addition...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo View Post
    I could see it as being somewhat effective at warming you up, but I don't see an ounce of transferability. An exercise should either make you a) stronger in the lift, or b) increase the size of the muscles utilized in the lift. I don't think it does either.
    That raises the question of why do many PLers bother with stuff like sled pulls, etc?
    If it's just about strength and hypertrophy, then focus on strength during the big 3 and do some hypertrophy assistance work and be done with it - yet a lot of PLers don't follow this minimalist approach.
    Maybe....just maybe...because improving your work capacity, something the kbell swing does VERY well, is a key part to PLing especially if you plan on progressively increasing training volume in a respectable amount of time. It also has a lot of benefits when it comes to neuromuscular stuff, a key part of 1RM testing.

    Andy Bolton and, IIRC, Donnie Thompson both incorporate kbell swings into their programmes and last time I checked they're both pretty decent pullers so to say the movement doesn't transfer over to PLing at all would be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRippedZilla View Post
    That raises the question of why do many PLers bother with stuff like sled pulls, etc?
    If it's just about strength and hypertrophy, then focus on strength during the big 3 and do some hypertrophy assistance work and be done with it - yet a lot of PLers don't follow this minimalist approach.
    Maybe....just maybe...because improving your work capacity, something the kbell swing does VERY well, is a key part to PLing especially if you plan on progressively increasing training volume in a respectable amount of time. It also has a lot of benefits when it comes to neuromuscular stuff, a key part of 1RM testing.

    Andy Bolton and, IIRC, Donnie Thompson both incorporate kbell swings into their programmes and last time I checked they're both pretty decent pullers so to say the movement doesn't transfer over to PLing at all would be wrong.
    Can't use the argument that PL Timmy Tuckaroo does it so it's good to go. Even if they're powerlifting gods. Who knows WHY they use it?
    IMO sled pulls and prowler aren't good either. What is it accomplishing? Your time and energy should be spent either improving your lifts (sled and prowler do not), or recovering (sped and prowler do not). Why waste time and energy prepping for a higher work capacity? Just increase it.
    You'll have to explain the neuromuscular aspect of your post to me. If you're going with the "speed work" route, then there are better ways to do that without violating the principal of overload.
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    1: sled, prowler, tire flips, etc are far less boring than cardio.

    2: I want to still be PLing long after Eric lillibridge is dead


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    I think the consensus of some is that conditioning must be specific to help better perform the function that an athlete is training for. Powerlifters functions are, squat, deadlift, bench. Perfect example, everybody who has used Pillar knows about the 15 doubles. Omg! By incorporating the 15 doubles wirh CRPT ( controlled Rest Period Training) this is a very effective, and specific way of improving a powerlifters conditioning. 45 seconds rest, 15 doubles, using RPE, kicked my ass and definitely helped improve my conditioning for these specific lifts.
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    But outside of my example above, I love the prowler, hill sprints, tire flips. The pumps from them are amazing. Heart beating fast and body just swells. Gotta love that shit!
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