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    "I know a guy...."

    A real good friend of mine called me the other day. After some, “How’s the family?” chit chat, he said to me, ”There’s this guy at the gym…” Yup you guessed it… JUICE TALK!. He went on to tell me about how this former BBer could hook him up. So as a friend, I stared to ask questions and here’s some of what I got;

    15 week cycle of test at 200mg/wk is good to improve mood and energy; 300 if you want to improve strength and size.

    You need to “Taper Off” the last 4 weeks so your body can get back to normal.

    “What’s and AI?” After trying to explain it he said the dude never mentioned it. Grant it, it may not be needed at those doses but it should have been mentioned.

    “PCT”: Not a word about this.

    I kind of left the conversation with the standard, “You need to get your diet and training on point before you even think about that.” Truth is, his diet sucks and training is so sporadic, I was shocked when he said he met this guy at the gym. He has done everything he can to maintain that Skinnyfat middle aged look he has.

    Don’t get me wrong, I spent a lot of time trying to help him on his diet and training without overwhelming him. I love the dude but he’s beyond my help when he won’t help himself. I think he’s looking at a cycle as a quick fix. Side Note: I did get him to have his TT test last year and he came in at around 750.

    This is going to be a train wreck!
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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    I feel your pain, so much nonsense out there it's scarey. I got a buddy of mine here at work straightened out and edjumacated up and he's doing fantastic, hard core gym rat but was using bunk gear and knew nothing of what you were talking about, labs, ai, pct, how to deal with some minor sides- namely chest/backacne.

    Few others here are downright dumb, buy whatever from where ever and just pin pin pin with no plan, no nothing.

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    Originally Posted by snake View Post
    “What’s and AI?” After trying to explain it he said the dude never mentioned it. Grant it, it may not be needed at those doses but it should have been mentioned.

    “PCT”: Not a word about this.
    Sweet business model for the guy doing the selling.

    Get you hooked on something that makes you feel like superman without giving you all the details about how to do it properly.

    That way when you come off, you're guaranteed to feel like dog shit. You then go back to said dealer to chase that superman feeling.
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    Give him my email I will whip his ass into shape for the cost of the cycle and the gains will be permanent and safe
    "Overzealous dosing" -Jin

    Rest in Peace Robot Lord. First round of Natty Boh is on me when I make it up there with you brother.

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    Originally Posted by PillarofBalance View Post
    Give him my email I will whip his ass into shape for the cost of the cycle and the gains will be permanent and safe
    I can guarantee you a complete failure on this one. You have no idea!
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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    That is a tough spot. You have all the info in the world, but they will not listen.

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    Originally Posted by DF View Post
    That is a tough spot. You have all the info in the world, but they will not listen.
    Yup, even field research on 10 week Deca cycles. lol
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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    Originally Posted by snake View Post
    I can guarantee you a complete failure on this one. You have no idea!
    Yes that means easy money. He pays. I write. He doesn't comply. I terminate contact.
    "Overzealous dosing" -Jin

    Rest in Peace Robot Lord. First round of Natty Boh is on me when I make it up there with you brother.

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    Sounds like a buddy of mine after a month of posts on a "board" he's an expert.

    He also holds a Black belt from a workers compensation sebaticle of sorts and weeks of watching DVDs

    Nothing you can do for these types

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    You can't make this shit up!

    I just got off the phone with my buddy and I figured if I overwhelm him with TMI, he'll give up. So I hit him with it all; soup to nuts on what you need to do. After what was a few minutes of only me talking he says, "Is getting blood work on you're own even legal?"

    No shit; you can't make this stuff up!
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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    750 test???? I'd kill to have that naturally. Cough cough 350 is about all I'm pushing.

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    Street dealers that don't have pct or ai on them will never mention it when making a sale.. If they have it on hand best believe your ass they will tell you how important it is

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    Anavar only tell him. Seems to be the norm around here lately. He'll be ripped in four weeks brooo
    Strengthfirst

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    In the so called information age, seems pretty ironic don't it?

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    Nothing new to say than what has already been said, sad indeed.

    Although I will vouche for the tapering off. The last couple time's I came off I tapered and didn't crash nearly as hard and kept strength and size better than coming off completely.

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    Stone tag summed it up nicely. It absolutely amazes me that with access to information as it is people don't take advantage of it. I guess the Internet in 2016 is just for social media. I have people from time to time asking for a "workout program" or "diet" to lose weight. They don't need my help, they need 15 minutes of reading and some discipline. Snake, your buddy sounds like he may be looking for what he thinks is the easy ticket.

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    Yeah bricks hit the nail on the head with him. lol

    I equate it to me having a buddy on the PGA tour and pestering him about buying $400 driver and so I can drive 400+ yards. FYI, I think I have been on a golf course maybe a dozen times. A few times with some clubs and twice with this girl named.. Oh shit, that's a different story!

    Back on point; and the point is simple.

    Learn the trade; then learn the tricks of the trade.
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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    Originally Posted by snake View Post
    Yeah bricks hit the nail on the head with him. lol

    I equate it to me having a buddy on the PGA tour and pestering him about buying $400 driver and so I can drive 400+ yards. FYI, I think I have been on a golf course maybe a dozen times. A few times with some clubs and twice with this girl named.. Oh shit, that's a different story!

    Back on point; and the point is simple.

    Learn the trade; then learn the tricks of the trade.

    Snake, honestly learning the tricks of the trade is very hard for a newbie. 4yrs, almost 5 now when I had to start trt, I knew nothing. I researched everytbing, then it took years to finally find you guys here with straight knowledge. Prior to finding this awesome forum, it's typical forum chatter, this guy says this, that guy says that. I waded thru so much contradiction it was frustrating honestly because I never knew what to believe.

    Also knew it's a topic you don't openly talk about, so I never asked because I didn't want to be "that guy", so years of searching, reading, repeat and found this place and man, it was a life altering event...but the one thing that's probably hard for many people in the world that do stuff day in, day out for years; after awhile it's business as usual and they take for granted the knowledge aquire over the years and just expect everybody else to know it too...I've caught myself in that mindset training guys I hired for my construction business as well as new kids the company I'm at not when I train them on machines, so I have to conciously reel myself back in and think back to when I got hired/just started to make sure I'm arming them with ALL the info they need, and I assume nothing on their part.

    So just know it's tough, it's a taboo topic obviously, and for newbies, for as many facts they find, there are just as many contradictions that follow.

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    New one

    No shit, this is what I'm dealing with!

    Bro: "So if I'm doing a cycle and injecting 2x/wk. for 15 weeks, I need 30 needles, where do I get them?"

    Snake: "You can get a box of 100 for about $25 via the internet."

    Bro: "Well I only need 30"

    Snake: "Then use 30 and give the rest to me"
    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

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    ^ lol

    Wow, your still posting so I assume you haven't strangled him...YET ...lol

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