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TL;DR Fluoroquinolone antibiotics cause cartilage and tendons to dissolve over time, probably from an upregulation of MMPs (matrix metalloproteinases), which is maybe mediated by oxidative stress, which is maybe mediated by mineral chelation. I can't lift anymore because of these drugs. What (possibly gray market) supplements, etc can I apply here, if any?
Cipro/ciprofloxacin, Levaquin/levofloxacin, and any antibiotic ending in *ofloxcain, are part of the family of antibiotics called fluoroquinolones, abbreviated FQs. These are some of the most powerful and dangerous drugs on the market. That's not hyperbole, as we shall see. If you've taken an antibiotic you've probably had a fluoroquinolone as they are given out regularly. You were probably also given the antibiotic directly violating the advice of FDA and the drug manufacturer (Bayer), both of whom have released statements saying "Do NOT use these drugs for normal infections because they are too dangerous."[1]
Why are they dangerous? They have a long list of horrific side effects, and they way they work biologically is a nightmare. They aren't normal side effects either. They aren't treatable by doctors. Permanent, irreversible nerve damage. Full body DNA mutations, both cells and mitochondria. Permanent mitochondria damage. Teeth decaying and shattering at the gum line. Even retinal detachment leading to blindness. There are dozens more. Today I'm asking about the most well known side effect, tendon rupture.
Antibiotics cause tendon ruptures? Yes, and these drugs favor the Achilles tendon to cause ruptures. But not just ruptures! These drugs can cause full body tendon pain for years after stopping the drugs, and for some, permanently. I know what you're thinking, "side effects are rare, this guy is full of shit." I'm not going to spend too much time trying to convince anyone, but the incidence of Achilles tendon rupture alone is 1 in 5,958[2], not including other ruptures and other tendon disorders.
How do these drugs damage tendons? That's the million dollar question. They cause tendons, cartilage, and even teeth, to break down over time without use. There are reports of Achilles tendons snapping while standing in the kitchen, or in the middle of the night in bed. There are reports of people's teeth shattering at the gum line. These drugs chemically damage your body and cause tendons to dissolve and cleave from bone (again, not hyperbole). The FDA has even coined a special term for people who have to go on disability for ruptures, FQAD (Fluoroquinolone Associated Disability).
I've been doing heavy research on the mechanisms of damage. One likely culprit are matrix metalloproteinases, abbreviated MMPs. Don't let the name scare you, they're fairly easy to understand.
Crash course: Most cells all sit in a web called the "extracellular matrix (ECM)," which is a big word meaning the stuff between cells. It contains a lot of things, including collagen (connective tissue) and elastin (stretchy tissue, think your bladder). In a healthy person there's a process to tear down the matrix, which is useful when cells need to migrate, or a wound needs to be cleared for healing. The enzymes that tear down the ECM are called "matrix metalloproteinases." The name is simple enough if we break it down:
- "matrix" - Acts on the extracellular matrix
- "metallo-" Needs metal (zinc) to activate
- "-proteinase" Eats protein
This teardown and rebuilding of the ECM is normally in a balanced state. There's equal teardown and buildup, mostly. Teardown of the ECM is responsible for things like wrinkles (MMPs tearing down elastin, so your skin gets saggy instead of stretchy), but mostly it's in balance.
In a FQ victim, the balance is disrupted. FQs case an "upregulation" of MMPs, meaning cells make too many MMPs [3][4]. This is how tendons, cartilage and even teeth dissolve slowly over time, without use. This is why tendons separate from bone in FQ victims. There's no chance for the body to rebuild damaged tendons over time because it's in a constant state of slow teardown. Are MMPs the only cause of tendon teardown in FQ damage? I doubt they're the only player, but my hypothesis based on research is they're a big player.
Another piece of the puzzle is that FQs cause massive oxidative stress (which is involved in DNA mutations, permanent mitochondria damage, and mass cell death) [5]. And oxidative stress directly leads to the upregulation of MMPs [6]. Is this how FQs cause MMP upregulation? I can only speculate, but it's suspicious.
I took Cipro and four months later I'm still facing serious side effects. It hurts to walk and I can't lift anything heavier than a glass of water without pain. These drugs are slowly taking my tendons (among many other fun side effects). I'd obviously love to be back in the gym again some day. I can't even ride a bike right now though I haven't tried a stationary bike yet.
Not sure what kind of supplements / chemicals could apply here to prevent breakdown and encourage healing. A friend mentioned TBsomething injections? I know steroids actually have the opposite effect on FQ victim tendons and cause them to break down further.
[1] "FDA advises restricting fluoroquinolone antibiotic use for certain uncomplicated infections" fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm500143.htm
[2] "Evidence of tendinitis provoked by fluoroquinolone treatment: a case-control study." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16970512
[3] "Fluoroquinolones cause changes in extracellular matrix, signalling proteins, metalloproteinases and caspase-3 in cultured human tendon cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15890441
[4] "Effect of topical fluoroquinolones on the expression of matrix metalloproteinases in the cornea." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14529574
[5] "Oxidative Stress Induced by Fluoroquinolones on Treatment for Complicated Urinary Tract Infections in Indian Patients" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249743/
[6] "Activation of MMP-2 as a key event in oxidative stress injury to the heart" biosccience.org/2009/v14/af/3274/fultext.php?bframe=2.htm
TL;DR Fluoroquinolone antibiotics cause cartilage and tendons to dissolve over time, probably from an upregulation of MMPs (matrix metalloproteinases), which is maybe mediated by oxidative stress, which is maybe mediated by mineral chelation. I can't lift anymore because of these drugs. What (possibly gray market) supplements, etc can I apply here, if any?
Cipro/ciprofloxacin, Levaquin/levofloxacin, and any antibiotic ending in *ofloxcain, are part of the family of antibiotics called fluoroquinolones, abbreviated FQs. These are some of the most powerful and dangerous drugs on the market. That's not hyperbole, as we shall see. If you've taken an antibiotic you've probably had a fluoroquinolone as they are given out regularly. You were probably also given the antibiotic directly violating the advice of FDA and the drug manufacturer (Bayer), both of whom have released statements saying "Do NOT use these drugs for normal infections because they are too dangerous."[1]
Why are they dangerous? They have a long list of horrific side effects, and they way they work biologically is a nightmare. They aren't normal side effects either. They aren't treatable by doctors. Permanent, irreversible nerve damage. Full body DNA mutations, both cells and mitochondria. Permanent mitochondria damage. Teeth decaying and shattering at the gum line. Even retinal detachment leading to blindness. There are dozens more. Today I'm asking about the most well known side effect, tendon rupture.
Antibiotics cause tendon ruptures? Yes, and these drugs favor the Achilles tendon to cause ruptures. But not just ruptures! These drugs can cause full body tendon pain for years after stopping the drugs, and for some, permanently. I know what you're thinking, "side effects are rare, this guy is full of shit." I'm not going to spend too much time trying to convince anyone, but the incidence of Achilles tendon rupture alone is 1 in 5,958[2], not including other ruptures and other tendon disorders.
How do these drugs damage tendons? That's the million dollar question. They cause tendons, cartilage, and even teeth, to break down over time without use. There are reports of Achilles tendons snapping while standing in the kitchen, or in the middle of the night in bed. There are reports of people's teeth shattering at the gum line. These drugs chemically damage your body and cause tendons to dissolve and cleave from bone (again, not hyperbole). The FDA has even coined a special term for people who have to go on disability for ruptures, FQAD (Fluoroquinolone Associated Disability).
I've been doing heavy research on the mechanisms of damage. One likely culprit are matrix metalloproteinases, abbreviated MMPs. Don't let the name scare you, they're fairly easy to understand.
Crash course: Most cells all sit in a web called the "extracellular matrix (ECM)," which is a big word meaning the stuff between cells. It contains a lot of things, including collagen (connective tissue) and elastin (stretchy tissue, think your bladder). In a healthy person there's a process to tear down the matrix, which is useful when cells need to migrate, or a wound needs to be cleared for healing. The enzymes that tear down the ECM are called "matrix metalloproteinases." The name is simple enough if we break it down:
- "matrix" - Acts on the extracellular matrix
- "metallo-" Needs metal (zinc) to activate
- "-proteinase" Eats protein
This teardown and rebuilding of the ECM is normally in a balanced state. There's equal teardown and buildup, mostly. Teardown of the ECM is responsible for things like wrinkles (MMPs tearing down elastin, so your skin gets saggy instead of stretchy), but mostly it's in balance.
In a FQ victim, the balance is disrupted. FQs case an "upregulation" of MMPs, meaning cells make too many MMPs [3][4]. This is how tendons, cartilage and even teeth dissolve slowly over time, without use. This is why tendons separate from bone in FQ victims. There's no chance for the body to rebuild damaged tendons over time because it's in a constant state of slow teardown. Are MMPs the only cause of tendon teardown in FQ damage? I doubt they're the only player, but my hypothesis based on research is they're a big player.
Another piece of the puzzle is that FQs cause massive oxidative stress (which is involved in DNA mutations, permanent mitochondria damage, and mass cell death) [5]. And oxidative stress directly leads to the upregulation of MMPs [6]. Is this how FQs cause MMP upregulation? I can only speculate, but it's suspicious.
I took Cipro and four months later I'm still facing serious side effects. It hurts to walk and I can't lift anything heavier than a glass of water without pain. These drugs are slowly taking my tendons (among many other fun side effects). I'd obviously love to be back in the gym again some day. I can't even ride a bike right now though I haven't tried a stationary bike yet.
Not sure what kind of supplements / chemicals could apply here to prevent breakdown and encourage healing. A friend mentioned TBsomething injections? I know steroids actually have the opposite effect on FQ victim tendons and cause them to break down further.
[1] "FDA advises restricting fluoroquinolone antibiotic use for certain uncomplicated infections" fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm500143.htm
[2] "Evidence of tendinitis provoked by fluoroquinolone treatment: a case-control study." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16970512
[3] "Fluoroquinolones cause changes in extracellular matrix, signalling proteins, metalloproteinases and caspase-3 in cultured human tendon cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15890441
[4] "Effect of topical fluoroquinolones on the expression of matrix metalloproteinases in the cornea." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14529574
[5] "Oxidative Stress Induced by Fluoroquinolones on Treatment for Complicated Urinary Tract Infections in Indian Patients" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249743/
[6] "Activation of MMP-2 as a key event in oxidative stress injury to the heart" biosccience.org/2009/v14/af/3274/fultext.php?bframe=2.htm