2nd Cycle Advice

[ionutzini]

Alright guys, I'm getting ready to do my second cycle. First one was 600 mg Test E for 12 weeks about a year ago. It went pretty smooth, no sides, except for a little bit of acne during pct, probably because I stopped using an AI. My stats are 6'3", 190 lbs, 11% bf.

The cycle looks like this:

Week 1-8 Test Prop 150 mgs EOD
Week 1-6 NPP 100 mgs EOD
Week 5-8 Tbol 40 mgs ED
Week 9 Test Prop 100 mgs EOD
Weeks 1-8 hcg 2XWeek 250IU
Week 9 HCG 250 IU EOD
Week 10 HCG 500 IU EOD
Weeks 1-15 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
Weeks 1-7 Caber 0.5 mgs 2XWeek
Week 11-15 PCT clomid 100/50/50/50 nolva 40/20/20/20

Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!

 

[Bro Bundy]

you need to extend your cycle ..Even with short esters u need more then 6 weeks on npp..

 

[ionutzini]

you need to extend your cycle ..Even with short esters u need more then 6 weeks on npp..

I can add 2 weeks to everything, making the cycle 11 weeks long, 8 of which with NPP. Do you think that is enough?

 

[deejeff442]

I am not as experienced as some here
Just started my 5th cycle today.
All my cycles have been at least 16 weeks.
Don't seem to really kick in on any cycle for 3 or 4 weeks .

 

[ECKSRATED]

I like how you're running the tbol at the end. Those last weeks are gonna be ****ing awesome for u.

 

[ionutzini]

I am not as experienced as some here
Just started my 5th cycle today.
All my cycles have been at least 16 weeks.
Don't seem to really kick in on any cycle for 3 or 4 weeks .

That is true when you're dealing with long esters. On my first cycle(Test E) it kicked in around week 5-6, which is why I wanna do short esters now. It should kick in by the end of week 1, therefore allowing me to keep a shorter cycle. A 12 week cycle with long esters should be approximately the same as an 8 week cycle with short esters, from what I've been reading

 

[ionutzini]

I like how you're running the tbol at the end. Those last weeks are gonna be ****ing awesome for u.

Yeah, I hope so. I wanna give the NPP more than enough time to clear the system before I start Nolva, but at the same time still make some clean gains and see how my body reacts to new compounds. Not gonna lie, I'm pretty excited

 

[snake]

Like BB said, you need to extend that. If you don't go out at least 12 weeks, you're cutting yourself short. Get that cycle up to 12 weeks and look me up on week 10 and tell me how wrong I was. Lol

 

[deejeff442]

So seeing most of us train a muscle group once a week even on gear. 8 workouts is going to get great results? Sorry I don't agree

 

[Bro Bundy]

So seeing most of us train a muscle group once a week even on gear. 8 workouts is going to get great results? Sorry I don't agree

I try to train then twice a week

 

[Bro Bundy]

That is true when you're dealing with long esters. On my first cycle(Test E) it kicked in around week 5-6, which is why I wanna do short esters now. It should kick in by the end of week 1, therefore allowing me to keep a shorter cycle. A 12 week cycle with long esters should be approximately the same as an 8 week cycle with short esters, from what I've been reading

ya u started feeling the compound around that time because it built up to peak levels...but the gear has been doing work since the first pin

 

[ionutzini]

Like BB said, you need to extend that. If you don't go out at least 12 weeks, you're cutting yourself short. Get that cycle up to 12 weeks and look me up on week 10 and tell me how wrong I was. Lol

ya u started feeling the compound around that time because it built up to peak levels...but the gear has been doing work since the first pin

Looks like 3 vials of NPP will last for 8 weeks and 6 of test for 11, so I decided to do that, while also upping the Tbol to 60 mg/day. Thanks again for all the advice!!!

 

[deejeff442]

Now you talking I would never go less then 12 weeks. But you are close enough

 

[ToolSteel]

So seeing most of us train a muscle group once a week even on gear. 8 workouts is going to get great results? Sorry I don't agree

Once a week is pretty wasteful. Even on a PL peak I'm hitting every lift or a close variant 2-3x a week.

 

[deejeff442]

I must lift crazy. My shoulders and traps are still sore from 3 days ago. I don't lift until muscles aren't sore for 2 days after it aint sore which even on gear is 6 or 7 days after lifting

 

[automatondan]

Why not try to get you a vial of test c or e to run before your test p... it will be pretty inexpensive and will increase the length of your cycle to the realm of better and more solid gains...

 

[bvs]

10 weeks is the minimum in my opinion

 

[ionutzini]

Why not try to get you a vial of test c or e to run before your test p... it will be pretty inexpensive and will increase the length of your cycle to the realm of better and more solid gains...

The whole idea behind running Test Prop was to get my test to a maximum, stable level as quick as possible, while keeping the HPTA shutdown time to a minimum. I don't know how Test E or C helps because, if I take it prior to the Test Prop, it won't get my test level high enough to make a difference, but it will shut me down