Thinking about adding HCG to my TRT

[GreenMeanie]

Hi.

I am thinking of adding HCG to my TRT and am looking for input on pros and cons.

I am 44, and have been on TRT for a little over 3 years now. I basically researched TRT on my own and asked my family doctor to put me on it due to constant fatigue. I was surprised at how little he knew about it and how willing he was to let me call the shots. My initial test levels were at 325. I know some doctors have told guys that is "low normal" and that they would not put them on TRT. I am thinking that it may be normal for an 80 year old, but not for me! He started me at 1ml/200mg every 2 weeks. He also started me on tamoxifen. I went in for blood tests on a regular basis and learned all I could on the internet. I made suggestions from time to time and we played around with my prescriptions and doses. Eventually I ended up switching (at my request) from tamoxifen to Anastrozole.

My doses now:

.75ml/150mg Test cyp every Wednesday at 7pm.
.25mg Anastrozole every day

My last blood tests were about a year ago and were roughly 850-900 test and around 20 estrogen. At one point while playing around with doses, I was on 1ml/200mg per week and my levels were up to 1400. I felt GREAT but the doc didn't like my levels being that high. Later I tried to get him to put me on .5ml/100mg twice a week to stay a little more even but apparently he was "uncomfortable" with that and wanted to refer me to an endocrinologist for any further changes.

Prior to me ever starting TRT, I have never had any problems in the labido department. Since I have been on TRT, there may have been a slight amount of shrinking in my nads, but an even higher labido (my poor wife couldn't keep up). I have been married over 20 years so I honestly don't care about the shrinkage (who am I trying to impress). Just in the last month I think my labido has gone down a bit though.

So to my main question. I have been reading a lot about HCG and think I want to add it. Two websites that came up when I searched HCG and TRT were (I ma too new to add links) menshormonalhealth and medicinecoach. One of them suggests adding HCG for 1 week and off for 3 weeks. Does anyone have personal experience with this combo of meds and have any suggestions?

 

[PillarofBalance]

Cons: can raise intratesticular e2

Not sure what that actually shakes out to in the real world

Pros: big balls and bust fat nuts.

In my experience though I can simply say I feel better using it than not. KiND of restores some normalcy inside me.

 

[DF]

I've been off & on hcg with my trt. At a dose of 250 IU 2x/week. I can't say it's made much of a difference in how I've felt. Like POB said bigger nuts & larger loads is all I noticed.

Your use of Adex seems a bit much at your trt dose. Have you had your E2 checked recently?

 

[GreenMeanie]

I've been off & on hcg with my trt. At a dose of 250 IU 2x/week. I can't say it's made much of a difference in how I've felt. Like POB said bigger nuts & larger loads is all I noticed.

Your use of Adex seems a bit much at your trt dose. Have you had your E2 checked recently?

No. Not for probably over a year now. Really need to get in and get all my numbers run again. I guess I have been stalling a bit because Im thinking of going to a different doctor. Just afraid of going to one that thinks low 300's is "normal". I know how I feel. Problem is I live in an area where I don't have a lot of options as far as doctors go.

 

[DF]

You could always get private blood work done.

 

[Jester]

I would start with current blood work. I absolutely agree with DF, anastrozole dose seems a bit much, but everyone is different. E2 could be crashed causing issues.

 

[ECKSRATED]

Were u taking that much adex when your e came back at 20? If so then u should be ok still. But wouldn't hurt to get bloods every year to check up on things.

 

[corvettels3]

You really need to get those bloods done brother. You may have tanked your e2. I would not bother with the hcg unless you plan on having kids. So your balls have shrunk. Whats the big deal. The smaller your balls the bigger your cock will appear..

 

[Fsuphisig]

I don't see the point of using hcg alongside test, kind of sending mixed signals to the body. Isn't that the whole point , keep these hormones in balances that favor us ? If you want to be fertile then yeah I get it. Otherwise seems like an unnecessary cost.

 

[BRICKS]

I recently dropped the HCG. Didn't notice any difference with or without it. Agree that .25 mg every day seems like a lot of anastrozole. I was taking 1.5 mg/week and dropped it to 1mg/week. Felt much better.

 

[Runningwild]

I used to run hcg with my trt dose and then stopped didn't notice any difference. When it's time to start trying for a kid I will add it back in but only for that... I also ran 1mg/week of Adex a week when I first started trt and it wasn't enough to keep my estrogen in check but is enough now. Although when I first started my test levels were low and my estrogen was 0 which my doctor was surprised about so I think when I first raised my test levels my body took some time getting used to it

 

[GreenMeanie]

Thanks for all the input. I will schedule an appointment today to get in ASAP for new blood work. I have been wondering if my ADEX was a little high. My doc wanted me on an even higher dose and I told him I thought I should start lower. I am done having kids. Have three already. The oldest is in college. Definitely don't want to start over!!

Thanks again for all the input. I will post blood results once I know them. May be a while. Takes a while to get in with this doctor. Wish I had a TRT clinic here. Nearest one is about 4 hours away.

 

[DF]

Again if you want to get the blood work done quick you can go through Private med labs.

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/

The hormone panel for females.

When I first started trt they had me on 1mg Adex 2x/week. I took it because I didn't know any better at the time. A few months down the road with tanked E2 and developed severe tendinitis in bother elbows & knees hurt like fuk. It was not pleasant.

 

[SkinnyAssShotgun]

I been reading alot of post and seeing TRT
What is TRT?

 

[SkinnyAssShotgun]

Test replacement therapy?

 

[ToolSteel]

Test replacement therapy?

Correct. Bringing you up to normal levels.

 

[John Ziegler]

I been reading alot of post and seeing TRT
What is TRT?

This was posted by bronco back in early 2014 it didnt have trt so trt = testosterone replacement therapy

Common Acronyms
ALA= Alpha Lipoic Acid
AS = Anabolic Steroids
AR = Androgen Receptor
BA = benzyl alcohol
BB = Body Builder or Body Building
BRO = You and I
CASE = The body part of a syringe
CC = cubic centimeter (one thousandth of a liter)
CLEN = Clenbuterol
CNS = Central Nervous System
CYP = Testosterone Cypionate
DART =Syringe/Needle
DBOL = Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
DECA = Nandrolone Decanoate
DHT = Dihydrotestosterone
DNP = Dinitrophenol
DRINK WINNY = Yes you can drink Winny
ECA = Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin
ED = Every Day
ENTH = Testosterone Enanthate
EOD = Every other day
EQ = Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate)
FINA = Finaplix (Trenbolone Acetate)
GEAR= steroids
GH = Growth Hormone
GHB = GAMMA HYDROXYBUTYRATE growth hormone
GYNO = Gynomastica (Bitch tits)
HGH = Human Growth Hormone
HPTA = Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis
IGF = Insulin Growth Factor
INJ = Inject, Injection
LH = Leutenizing Hormone
MCG = Micrograms
MG = Milligrams
ML = Milliliters
NYC = Norephedrine Yohimbe Caffiene
NOLVA = Nolvaldex
OTC = Over the counter
PIN = Needle
PRIMO = Primobolan, Primobolan Depot
PROP = Testosterone Propionate
SLIN = Insulin
SUST = Sustanon
T3 = Thyroid Hormone
TEST = Testosterone
TREN = Trenbolone
WINNY = Winstrol-V (Stanozolol)
17 AA = 17 Alpha Alkylated
1cc = 1ml
mau hung= Ephedra
CRS = Can't remember Shit
ot = off topic
O/T = off topic
LOL = Laugh out loud
LMAO = Laughing my ass off
LMFAO = laughing my fu(king ass off
ROFLMAO = Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
ROFLMFAO = Rolling on the floor laughing my fu(king ass off
ROFLMGDMFAO = rolling on the floor laughing my god damn mother fu(king ass off
BTW = By the way
IMO = In my opinion
IMHO = In my humble opinion
IMHO = In my honest opinion
WTF = What the fu(k
stfu = shut the fu(k up
AAFLB = Accronims are for lazy bastards

ED = Every day
EOD = Every other day
NPP= nandrolone phenylpropionate
HCG= human chorionic gonadotropin
Tamoxifen=tamox=Nolvadex=Nolva
Ralox=raloxifene=evista
Clomid=clomiphene=clomiphene citrate
HMG=human menopausal gonadotropin
EQ = EQUIPOISE (Boldenone Undecylenate)
Tren/Fina = Finaject (Trenbolone Acetate) ~ the old Parabolan
Test = General expression for all testosteron, IE susta, propiante...
HGH/HG = Human Growth Hormon
d-bol/thai = Dianabol
Winny/Win = Winstrol(Stanzolol)
prop = TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE
enth = TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE
cyp = TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE
sust/omna = Sustanon/Omnadren
Primo = Primobolan depot
Clen = Clenbuterol
ECA = Ephedrine/Caffein/Aspirin
depot = injectable
SHIC=Short High Intensity Cycle
A-bombs/A50 = Anadrol 50
frontload = More juice in the beginning of the cycle
pyramid = most juice in the midle of the cycle. Little in the beg and end
AAS/AS/roids/juice/gear = Anabolic Androgen Steroids
MPB = Male Pattern Baldness
gyno = gynomastic? (Bitch tits)
PCT = Post cycle thearpy (Clomid, Nolva

 

[Dakinilvr]

has anyone that lives in NY, NJ, MA, MD or RI drove to another state for private blood work?

 

[gymrat827]

has anyone that lives in NY, NJ, MA, MD or RI drove to another state for private blood work?

Yes, I've seen guys talk about it.

I know east coasters will drive to get by state laws, shit so close.

I don't live out that way but u sign up online, they just email results.

So no reason you could say u lived in X state when your really in Y.

 

[automatondan]

This was posted by bronco back in early 2014 it didnt have trt so trt = testosterone replacement therapy

Common Acronyms
ALA= Alpha Lipoic Acid
AS = Anabolic Steroids
AR = Androgen Receptor
BA = benzyl alcohol
BB = Body Builder or Body Building
BRO = You and I
CASE = The body part of a syringe
CC = cubic centimeter (one thousandth of a liter)
CLEN = Clenbuterol
CNS = Central Nervous System
CYP = Testosterone Cypionate
DART =Syringe/Needle
DBOL = Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
DECA = Nandrolone Decanoate
DHT = Dihydrotestosterone
DNP = Dinitrophenol
DRINK WINNY = Yes you can drink Winny
ECA = Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin
ED = Every Day
ENTH = Testosterone Enanthate
EOD = Every other day
EQ = Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate)
FINA = Finaplix (Trenbolone Acetate)
GEAR= steroids
GH = Growth Hormone
GHB = GAMMA HYDROXYBUTYRATE growth hormone
GYNO = Gynomastica (Bitch tits)
HGH = Human Growth Hormone
HPTA = Hypothalamic Pituitary Testicular Axis
IGF = Insulin Growth Factor
INJ = Inject, Injection
LH = Leutenizing Hormone
MCG = Micrograms
MG = Milligrams
ML = Milliliters
NYC = Norephedrine Yohimbe Caffiene
NOLVA = Nolvaldex
OTC = Over the counter
PIN = Needle
PRIMO = Primobolan, Primobolan Depot
PROP = Testosterone Propionate
SLIN = Insulin
SUST = Sustanon
T3 = Thyroid Hormone
TEST = Testosterone
TREN = Trenbolone
WINNY = Winstrol-V (Stanozolol)
17 AA = 17 Alpha Alkylated
1cc = 1ml
mau hung= Ephedra
CRS = Can't remember Shit
ot = off topic
O/T = off topic
LOL = Laugh out loud
LMAO = Laughing my ass off
LMFAO = laughing my fu(king ass off
ROFLMAO = Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
ROFLMFAO = Rolling on the floor laughing my fu(king ass off
ROFLMGDMFAO = rolling on the floor laughing my god damn mother fu(king ass off
BTW = By the way
IMO = In my opinion
IMHO = In my humble opinion
IMHO = In my honest opinion
WTF = What the fu(k
stfu = shut the fu(k up
AAFLB = Accronims are for lazy bastards

ED = Every day
EOD = Every other day
NPP= nandrolone phenylpropionate
HCG= human chorionic gonadotropin
Tamoxifen=tamox=Nolvadex=Nolva
Ralox=raloxifene=evista
Clomid=clomiphene=clomiphene citrate
HMG=human menopausal gonadotropin
EQ = EQUIPOISE (Boldenone Undecylenate)
Tren/Fina = Finaject (Trenbolone Acetate) ~ the old Parabolan
Test = General expression for all testosteron, IE susta, propiante...
HGH/HG = Human Growth Hormon
d-bol/thai = Dianabol
Winny/Win = Winstrol(Stanzolol)
prop = TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE
enth = TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE
cyp = TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE
sust/omna = Sustanon/Omnadren
Primo = Primobolan depot
Clen = Clenbuterol
ECA = Ephedrine/Caffein/Aspirin
depot = injectable
SHIC=Short High Intensity Cycle
A-bombs/A50 = Anadrol 50
frontload = More juice in the beginning of the cycle
pyramid = most juice in the midle of the cycle. Little in the beg and end
AAS/AS/roids/juice/gear = Anabolic Androgen Steroids
MPB = Male Pattern Baldness
gyno = gynomastic? (Bitch tits)
PCT = Post cycle thearpy (Clomid, Nolva

This list needs to be updated to include fgt me irl fgt for people Tool wants to kill....