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    The Test E is fine. I'm not a fan of orals - especially for those new to gear. You also may want to consider adding clomid and HCG & having an AI on hand.

    Good sticky here that will get ye started.
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    Yup, what NbleSavage said.

    Test only should be good, but you want to fix your PCT and also have an AI on hand.
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    Yes it's God for begainer.

    Your post cycle therapy needs work though.

    4 weeks Clomid at 50mg per day 4 weeks nolva at 20mg per day.
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    Why not just stick with the test only and run that and see where that puts you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tunafisherman View Post
    Yup, what NbleSavage said.

    Test only should be good, but you want to fix your PCT and also have an AI on hand.
    has something changed in the last 2 months I've been off the Board?

    if you run dbol with "AI on hand" then 90% chance he ****s himself up.

    The idea of an AI is to stop the aromatizing before and as it happens....as it's a much easier solution than fixing gyno once it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onk View Post
    has something changed in the last 2 months I've been off the Board?

    if you run dbol with "AI on hand" then 90% chance he ****s himself up.

    The idea of an AI is to stop the aromatizing before and as it happens....as it's a much easier solution than fixing gyno once it happens.
    I think we're saying 'No' to the DBol on a 1st cycle. On a Test only cycle, I tend to advise keeping the AI close but not automatically going to it unless you begin to notice symptoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onk View Post
    has something changed in the last 2 months I've been off the Board?

    if you run dbol with "AI on hand" then 90% chance he ****s himself up.

    The idea of an AI is to stop the aromatizing before and as it happens....as it's a much easier solution than fixing gyno once it happens.
    ****s himself up how? Not everyone aromatizes very quickly. I can run 50mg dbol for weeks with zero issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NbleSavage View Post
    I think we're saying 'No' to the DBol on a 1st cycle. On a Test only cycle, I tend to advise keeping the AI close but not automatically going to it unless you begin to notice symptoms.
    Got you.

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    ****s himself up how? Not everyone aromatizes very quickly. I can run 50mg dbol for weeks with zero issues.
    I'm glad that works for you. But I'd rather give research backed advice, which supports AI usage when using anything above a medium TRT dose. For $30 cost of an AI, he can all but ensure he won't have e2 related sides...as opposed to a "hope for the best" approach. It's his first cycle and he'll be injecting suprahuman doses of test. add the dbol and "ai on hand" is a recipe to "**** himself up" (quoting myself).

    Also, on hand means he has to notice the issues then react fast enough to eradicate them. As a newbie....good luck
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    Test only is good, and would add some clomid like this,
    Day1 cl 250mg nolva 40mg
    Following 10 days cl 100mg nolva 40mg
    Following 10 days cl 50mg nolva 20mg

    Safety is the most, I definitely will get some adex on hand, and add something else after feww test only cycles.


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