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I'm wondering why the cheap herd stinging nettle which is in alot of all in 1 PCT isnt used all the time?
I seriously have no idea what you are saying.
Stinging Nettle Root extract has been tested on humans and animals. I wish I could paste links but to sum them up it contains a steroidal symponin that if I remember breaks down SBHG so it increases Free T and it also has an aromatase inhibitor. You do have to take large amount but it's really cheap. I don't want to throw out numbers but it was impressive in a human study increasing FREE T by 40% lowered E2, and decreased some aspect of enlarged prostate. The study was on men 35-45 and not on gear but from what Ive read it only has more benifit when exo-intro testosterone at high levels
Stinging Nettle Root extract has been tested on humans and animals. I wish I could paste links but to sum them up it contains a steroidal symponin that if I remember breaks down SBHG so it increases Free T and it also has an aromatase inhibitor. You do have to take large amount but it's really cheap. I don't want to throw out numbers but it was impressive in a human study increasing FREE T by 40% lowered E2, and decreased some aspect of enlarged prostate. The study was on men 35-45 and not on gear but from what Ive read it only has more benifit when exo-intro testosterone at high levels
Stinging Nettle Root extract has been tested on humans and animals. I wish I could paste links but to sum them up it contains a steroidal symponin that if I remember breaks down SBHG so it increases Free T and it also has an aromatase inhibitor. You do have to take large amount but it's really cheap. I don't want to throw out numbers but it was impressive in a human study increasing FREE T by 40% lowered E2, and decreased some aspect of enlarged prostate. The study was on men 35-45 and not on gear but from what Ive read it only has more benifit when exo-intro testosterone at high levels
Theres information to show that decreasing SHBG has no effect on free testosterone.
If it actually did these things it would be a drug with a patent.
Sex hormone binding globulins--SHBG.
Advocating something shortly after misspelling it calls your analysis into question...but I may be overreacting my 2E is high.
Sureeeeeeeeee it does
Was that study on the website for this stuff?? Cus I bought some penis pills once that promised I would see at least 3 inches in growth, two months later I'm still at 1 and a half inches.
Do you guys seriously just doubt everything and make a lame joke about any new information? I mean click a fukking open tab and do a bit of research might do you some good to get out of the 1980's and look into things that can increase your results. Why the fukk are you on here? I think everyone who posted knows I don't sell stuff. I would recommend researching this. I've been on a clomid cycle 12.5mg e3d and 3 g ed Nettle Root extract 10:1.. I bought 2 kilos of that extract after doing research cuz like I said it's CHEAP. I got BW on the third week and my Test was 1128, I sit at 690, but my free T was 84 on a 6-25 scale.LH a bit higher than norm (expected with clomid). My E2 was on the very lowest number in normal range and the lowest I've ever had on BW. I felt it too, I was drinking tons of water, constant eye drops, doubled my joint+ ect way too dried out. My Doc new what I was doing and we discussed it the total T was no doubt from clomid and I was more than happy with the results and plan to run a clomid 4week prep before next cycle but 84 free T! we couldn't explain. I asked if it could be a false reading and he said it could be possible but the total T would have to be screwed up as well he didn't think it was a false reading. Oh and whatever blah abbreviation to check prostate was perfect.
Yesss! Thank you, finally some info and not a fart joke.But you are referencing a cliff note from a prostate study that does not give numbers. I'm not here to argue but do you have a study that its' focus is correlation between SBHG and free t? I'm not calling you out I'll take if you read it at some point but remember it accurately . I read a Japanese study finished in 2010 that was testing the correlation of decreased SBHG with the introduction of "Furuzadrol" I know it's propbably misspelled but it's over all conclusion was that that lowering SBHG had positive direct corillation with Free T and that the corrilation was exasperated as the Total T was increased by the Furuzadrol.
So the ppl that are injecting Test have a even greater effect on free t if SBHG is mitigated. Then there are a few animal and human studies with nettle extract all of which show decreased SHBG and elevated free T. So for a cheap test I did it on myself. worst case I overpay for high fiber. But studies aside for now. Lets just look at my numbers my TT went up 54% gradually, as opposed to an instant injection of Test-P or T-Suspension, but my FT went up 185% (My last BW it was high of norm I think 32) I just don't see why that would happen. The other thing is that the "mild" AI that it contains destroyed my E2! E2 should be quite elevated using clomid without a real AI. in the least high side of norm with my low dose of clomid.
I will be doing a clomid prepcycle for 16-20 week cycle starting July 4. I'm not sure how healthy being on clomid that long would be or if my body would develop a clomid tolerance. I will try to replicate testing on prepcycle without nettle assuming my base TT, FT are about 690 and 32 give or take few points. Any knowledge of log term continuiouse clomid use? I have always ran 6 week PCT clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5/12.5 e2d nolva 20/20 and HCG 500iu/500iu & Aromasin .5mg/.5mg/.125mg/.125mg e2d but aromasin varries. I have a few questions as it seems you are more educated in the interactions of hormones and chems. I'm 33 BTW and have a few outlier hormones
If you ask MrRippedzilla he might be able to get the full study with numbers. The fact still remains, their statistical analysis showed no statistical significance for SHBG and FT therefore there could not have been clinical results either. I'd have to see the study you're referring to to be able to critique it. Please post any of the studies you're talking about and we can discuss.
Heres one more
J Endocrinol Invest. 1984 Oct;7(5):489-94.
Effect of D-thyroxine on serum sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), testosterone, and pituitary-thyroid function in euthyroid subjects.
Yosha S, Fay M, Longcope C, Braverman LE.
Abstract
Concentrations of serum sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and free testosterone (T) were examined in 10 euthyroid subjects (5 men and 5 women) before, during and after 30 days of the daily ingestion of 1 or 4 mg D-thyroxine (D-T4), the thyroxine analog that has only 1-15% of the calorigenic effect of L-thyroxine (L-T4). No changes in serum L-T4 or triiodothyronine (T3), serum cholesterol, SHBG, T, progesterone, estradiol-17 beta, or free T concentrations were observed in response to the 1 mg dose, but there was a slight elevation in the free thyroxine index (FTI) and a significant (p less than 0.02) suppression of the thyrotropin (TSH) response to thyrotropin releasing hormone (TRH). The 4 mg dose of D-T4 induced an increase in SHBG levels in all but one man. There was a significant negative correlation between the SHBG and percent free T (p less than 0.05) although the mass of free T did not change. As a group, the women responded with a greater increase in SHBG and decrease in percent free T than the men. Serum cholesterol decreased (p less than 0.01), all serum thyroid hormone values measured by RIA were increased (p less than 0.01), and the TSH response to TRH was completely suppressed. Despite these changes, the subjects remained clinically euthyroid. Concentrations of testosterone, progesterone and estradiol-17 beta remained unchanged. Serum luteinizing hormone (LH), which was evaluated in the men only, also did not change during the daily administration of 4 mg D-T4.
PMID: 6542576 DOI: 10.1007/BF03348455
The increase in FT is completely plausible considering the increase in TT. Clomid is typically associated with raising E2 levels but it's not unheard of to still have normal or low E2 levels on it either. Simple way to test is get bloods done with the exact same protocol except one with nettle root and one few weeks later or before without.
I will be doing a clomid prepcycle for 16-20 week cycle starting July 4. I'm not sure how healthy being on clomid that long would be or if my body would develop a clomid tolerance. I will try to replicate testing on prepcycle without nettle assuming my base TT, FT are about 690 and 32 give or take few points. Any knowledge of log term continuiouse clomid use? I have always ran 6 week PCT clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5/12.5 e2d nolva 20/20 and HCG 500iu/500iu & Aromasin .5mg/.5mg/.125mg/.125mg e2d but aromasin varries. I have a few questions as it seems you are more educated in the interactions of hormones and chems. I'm 33 BTW and have a few outlier hormones
What are some reasons why would I baseline at 32 FT exactly 100% more than center of norm with a TT at 690? 690 isn't exactly king stud numbers.
What are reasons that even after 16 week cycle BW pre PCT my LH has never dipped below 8 and sits high norm 17-21?
What are reasons that my IGF-1 is 2.5 times higher than center norm no introduction or stim compounds ever?
What are reasons that I have twice the HGH as norm.
I've been to 2 endos but they were female endos that had no clue what they were talking about. and as for the HGH from what Ive read 2x is not enough to make big difference compared to injecting HGH. When I asked my doc about that he just shrugged said your obviously still growing in some way bone density or something but it's not at all a bad thing. I have no reason to believe this because I have never had a testicle injury; but the only thing I could hypothesize is that I have a malfunction in 1 testicle in 1 or some of its productions(inhibin, estro-precursor forget name) and my LH, FT, HGH numbers are a response from the P-gland not receiving proper amount of inhibin. though my sperm count is norm and size ect is norm.I aslo dont really get testy atrophy they'll hug the body more but stay same size as far as I or GF could ever tell.