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    Lightbulb Weight Loss and Muscle Build, HELP needed

    Hello everyone,

    My name is Charlie and Iím 28. I work on board cargo vessels from where Iím writing right now as well. Might seem like an irrelevant private info but it will be relevant due to some factors like limited diet possibilities, free time etc.

    To start with a brief Ďhistoryí, I was a coach-potato for almost the last decade and this year I hit 100kg for the first time (102kg [225lb] to be precise) which made me change my lifestyle, as much as I could considering the circumstances. Iím 185cm which would be like 6í or 6í 1íí. I guess 100kg would be acceptable for some but in my case weíre not talking about muscles, weíre talking about fat. I do feel like an intruder here since I have absolutely nothing to do with body-building but since Iím considering some steroids and need some help I figured out Iíll stop-by here even it means getting bashed by the whole community. I can handle it.

    So in January (about 4 months ago) I stopped eating junk which was part of my daily Ďdietí together with most carbs. Not a strict diet but definitely a big change in food intake, especially on the calorie-intake side. I also started training, mostly cardio, running (around the vessel and Ďin-one-placeí), some push-ups, sit-ups and other exercises which are a combination of the mentioned or similar ones. Later on I added some (light) weight lifting (about 15-20kg) with 5-6 sets of 20-30 reps. So nothing intensive but I have been sweating for the last few months, almost every day with 1-day break a week, on average. The Ďtraining sessionsí are normally 45min up to an hour.

    In the last 3 months I came from 102kg [225lb] to 91kg [200lb] which was a very good result for me. I could feel and see the weight loss but honestly my main problem was belly fat and I feel like thatís the one place where I lost least weight. I did lose some and I know I reduced the waist by few cm but still... far from the results I was going for.

    In the last month the weight reduction was significantly lower and I lost like 2-3kg in a whole month, with basically the same training schedule and food/calorie intake. I feel like itís getting more and more difficult to go even lower even though Iím not too worried about the weight anymore as I am about the belly fat, especially the so-called Ďlove handlesí.

    I never took any supplements, especially not steroids but browsing the never-ending internet I am tempted to consider trying them out, for a cycle or two, not more. Iím not interested in any dramatic results, not interested in becoming a ripped body-builder or whatever (hope this doesnít come out too strong) but if I could use some supplements/steroids in order to speed up my progress and get me the results I want, Iím willing to consider them.

    I am doing my own research for the last few weeks gathering information from different websites, medical articles, lab studies etc. including a lot of useful information from this forum itself. However, I decided to Ďsay helloí and see if a Ďdirect approachí with yield some more specific information for me and save me some time which is, again, quite limited.

    The first Ďthingí I came across was CLEN. I know personally some people who used to take it (usually for the same purpose as me) and they were quite satisfied. I felt, however, that they run into it without too much information or understanding at all. Seems like it ended up just fine for them but Iím not willing to go that road without knowing what Iím doing and why. As far as Iíve read, CLEAN is the most effective steroid for weight-loss and together with my current life-style I believe it would get me at least some of the results Iím after. Iíd probably go with the 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off cycle for 6 weeks (2on / 2off / 2on) starting with a lower dosage (about 60-80 Ķg) the first week (to see how my organism reacts to it) and then build it up to the 120-140Ķg per day in the last 2 weeks after the 2-week break).

    That was my original plan but you know how internet is. Only CLEN is not enough, should be used stack with this and that and thatís when I Ďlost trackí a bit. Seems like TEST is almost a Ďmustí for any similar stack but Iíll go a step ahead and say that I would not prick myself at this stage (and probably any stage) so thatís not an option. Orally intake only. Then I saw a lot of stack including CLEN and WILLY (willy would prevent excessive muscle loss, not that I have much) but again mostly with TEST or even a lot of other substances I didnít even have time to research yet. T3 is one of them, again... stacked with CLEN or even CLEN+WILLY+T3 (all orally). So at this stage Iím a bit lost and I need your help. At least getting the pieces of information together and then Iíll decide IF I will go that road and how.

    So one of the options Iím considering right now is CLEN and WILLY in which case Iíd start taking WHEY protein as well and would add more resistance and strength training (especially with weights) on my current Ďplaní. Iíd also take some guarana extract / taurine in case I have some muscle cramps (wouldnít take them unless I do have problems). In some places Iíve read that CLEN+WILLY is a good combo, on other places that itís terrible idea. Quite difficult to see a precise Ďpictureí so Iím hoping that you will help me out here.

    As for the dosage, I mentioned about the CLEN and then plan above. As for WILLY, Iíd probably take it for the straight 6 weeks (no break like with CLEN), starting with a lower dosage (around 30mg per day) seeing how my body reacts and then building it up to 50mg, probably from week 3, when a break from CLEN starts. Whey protein would be there because I donít have an option to get enough proteins otherwise (refer to the first paragraph) and Iím considering taking about 20g, 2 times a day (40g per day). Again, taurine would be only in case of problems with muscle cramps.

    T3 also seems to be part of the similar stacks most of the time but I havenít research it enough yet.

    As far as impotence goes, I donít care at all as long as itís temporary. Again, refer to the first paragraph and why is that. Thatís why I guess I could go without TEST.

    Iím sure some (if not most) of you will say that I should just continue with exercise and diet which is fair but Iíd still like to hear some opinions about the mentioned stack, some suggestions and possible changes either on other supplements/steroids or on the dosage itself. I will continue my routine no matter what but if I can get better results quicker with one cycle or two then Iím willing to consider trying it.

    Sorry for the long post and for not including some Ďbasic infoí which Iíve seen most do like bf % etc. but I just donít have the means to find out that and similar information.

    Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

    - Charlie


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    I don't think you need to post bf or other stats.
    "In January" you decided to make a change--not quite 4 months, then.
    You need to keep up the good work with your diet and training for a while, research AAS quite a bit more, and make a decision later.
    There is no promise that impotence will be temporary or that you won't have other issues, and failure to research will set you up for problems.
    Sounds like you've done well for a few months. Keep it up and make those diet and training changes permanent.
    If you finally do decide to run a cycle down the road, you'll be better equipped physically and mentally for success.

    Whatever you choose, best of luck.

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    What the hell is willy lol? Like free Willy?

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    What the **** is willy and why do you write every substance in all caps? Stay away from any form of steroid. You seem incredibly lazy. You want to take drugs to lose some fat, even knowing you could get ****ed up. Zero experience with anything training or diet related. I wouldnt trust you with BCAAs let alone steroids.
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    Definitely use the Willy. Put as much Willy in you as possible
    Rest in Peace Robot Lord. First round of Natty Boh is on me when I make it up there with you brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PillarofBalance View Post
    Definitely use the Willy. Put as much Willy in you as possible
    Ecks takes willy
    Quote Originally Posted by joliver
    Ecks...no time to explain...I have to finish these wings and 4 beers and get home to fight this guy that says the bench press is non-functional.

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    I'm thinking he means Winnie but regardless, I agree here with the Bros: what you've outlined is a hot mess.

    Post yer macros and calculate yer TDEE and lets see where things stand. Being in a caloric deficit is the way to lose 'belly fat'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knightmare999 View Post
    I don't think you need to post bf or other stats.
    "In January" you decided to make a change--not quite 4 months, then.
    You need to keep up the good work with your diet and training for a while, research AAS quite a bit more, and make a decision later.
    There is no promise that impotence will be temporary or that you won't have other issues, and failure to research will set you up for problems.
    Sounds like you've done well for a few months. Keep it up and make those diet and training changes permanent.
    If you finally do decide to run a cycle down the road, you'll be better equipped physically and mentally for success.

    Whatever you choose, best of luck.
    Thanks for the time. I do know that 4 months is not much time, especially compared to the decade being a lazy ass. I will continue with the diet and training (as much as possible) no matter what but I was just considering getting an additional 'push' with a cycle or two. Not to replace the current daily routine, just to get some results faster and then keeping them with a better diet and more exercise.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonetag View Post
    What the hell is willy lol? Like free Willy?
    Willy was supposed to be Winny. When you write such a long post I believe it can be overlooked. Not a typo but an honest mistake.


    Quote Originally Posted by Milo View Post
    What the **** is willy and why do you write every substance in all caps? Stay away from any form of steroid. You seem incredibly lazy. You want to take drugs to lose some fat, even knowing you could get ****ed up. Zero experience with anything training or diet related. I wouldnt trust you with BCAAs let alone steroids.
    I believe my CAPS LOCK is still more moderate than your screaming. But I'll let you decide. Thanks for the informative and thoughtful post.

    Quote Originally Posted by PillarofBalance View Post
    Definitely use the Willy. Put as much Willy in you as possible
    Will do sir, will(y) do.


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    I'm thinking he means Winnie but regardless, I agree here with the Bros: what you've outlined is a hot mess.

    Post yer macros and calculate yer TDEE and lets see where things stand. Being in a caloric deficit is the way to lose 'belly fat'.
    I'm unable to post my macros. My food intake varies from day to day and I don't have many choices there. That's why I always say that I'm now trying to keep a diet as much as possible because I'm aware that I cannot keep a perfect one due to the nature of work and isolation. As for the TDEE, your website have me about 3,500 calories even tho other ones gave me just over 3,000 calories.

    If it's of any help, I'll post my daily routine here. Maybe it will get me some additional tips.

    I normally wake up around 11am. I have lunch (or breakfast since it's my first meal) at 11:30am which usually consists of 2-3 eggs and a piece of meat (chicken/fish/pork) of around 200g. After that I'm on duty til 4pm and I don't eat anything in the meantime. I start my training around 4pm. I'm not doing anything 'heavy' atm. I run, do around 100-150 push-ups, same number of sit-ups and then some combined exercises, trying to focus on the abs (or in my case belly fat). That usually lasts an hour, then I cool down, take a shower and around 6pm I take dinner which consists again of some of the mentioned meat, in similar amount (no eggs). Then I usually try not to eat anything or if I have to it's usually some pumpkin/sunflower seeds with a lot of water. Now that I mentioned water, I drink 2-3 liters a day. Around 8-9pm I take a rest til midnight when I start my second shift til 6am. Then I take my second rest till 11am when a new day starts.

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    Thanks again for the time. Much appreciated.

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    There's the word I was waiting for. "Faster". You want your results faster. While the rest of us have been going for years, some for decades. Stop being a lazy **** and do your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo View Post
    There's the word I was waiting for. "Faster". You want your results faster. While the rest of us have been going for years, some for decades. Stop being a lazy **** and do your time.
    TBH, I'm not trying to achieve the results you have or want to achieve. There's a big difference there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieHere View Post
    TBH, I'm not trying to achieve the results you have or want to achieve. There's a big difference there.
    That's completely fine. But you've put in jack squat for time or effort. Looking to make results the fastest and easiest way possible is a sure fire way to land your ass on the couch again. You have to love the process. That's how you make improvements. And from what it sounds like, you don't even want to touch the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieHere View Post
    Thanks for the time. I do know that 4 months is not much time, especially compared to the decade being a lazy ass. I will continue with the diet and training (as much as possible) no matter what but I was just considering getting an additional 'push' with a cycle or two. Not to replace the current daily routine, just to get some results faster and then keeping them with a better diet and more exercise.



    Willy was supposed to be Winny. When you write such a long post I believe it can be overlooked. Not a typo but an honest mistake.




    I believe my CAPS LOCK is still more moderate than your screaming. But I'll let you decide. Thanks for the informative and thoughtful post.


    Will do sir, will(y) do.




    I'm unable to post my macros. My food intake varies from day to day and I don't have many choices there. That's why I always say that I'm now trying to keep a diet as much as possible because I'm aware that I cannot keep a perfect one due to the nature of work and isolation. As for the TDEE, your website have me about 3,500 calories even tho other ones gave me just over 3,000 calories.

    If it's of any help, I'll post my daily routine here. Maybe it will get me some additional tips.

    I normally wake up around 11am. I have lunch (or breakfast since it's my first meal) at 11:30am which usually consists of 2-3 eggs and a piece of meat (chicken/fish/pork) of around 200g. After that I'm on duty til 4pm and I don't eat anything in the meantime. I start my training around 4pm. I'm not doing anything 'heavy' atm. I run, do around 100-150 push-ups, same number of sit-ups and then some combined exercises, trying to focus on the abs (or in my case belly fat). That usually lasts an hour, then I cool down, take a shower and around 6pm I take dinner which consists again of some of the mentioned meat, in similar amount (no eggs). Then I usually try not to eat anything or if I have to it's usually some pumpkin/sunflower seeds with a lot of water. Now that I mentioned water, I drink 2-3 liters a day. Around 8-9pm I take a rest til midnight when I start my second shift til 6am. Then I take my second rest till 11am when a new day starts.

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    Thanks again for the time. Much appreciated.
    Your schedule is nuts and I don't envy you at all. But do you actually touch a barbell? Do you lift weights? Pushups and an work is about all you can get to because of work?

    If that's your lot in life right now then don't run this cycle. It's a huge waste and will have negative health consequences for absolutely no gains.
    Rest in Peace Robot Lord. First round of Natty Boh is on me when I make it up there with you brother.

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