proviron anyone used it?

[therealkozmo]

Has anyone used proviron

 

[DocDePanda187123]

I would suggest saving your money and spending it on something worthwhile unless you want it for its sexual benefits but fr that I'd just use Cialis, PT141, and prami and blow it out the water literally.

 

[BigSwolePump]

I have never used it. I see good and bad reviews online. It is supposed to lower shbg and free up more test in the blood. It sounds like a good idea but I imagine if it was as good as it claims to be, you would see more people using it lol. It seems pricey from places that I have seen it available so I haven't even been tempted to try it.

 

[therealkozmo]

I want it for its help with post finasteride syndrome

 

[Nattydread]

I've used it many times. I would run it year round at 25-50mg depending on how much I had. I like the way it would cut bloat when on high test. Some people don't like and to each his own. I like it and will continue to use.

 

[therealkozmo]

I've read of it not being suppressive and actually raising lh. Probably because it binds with shbg and lowers e2. Stupid FDA hasn't approved this so it is going to be a little more tricky

 

[BigSwolePump]

I've used it many times. I would run it year round at 25-50mg depending on how much I had. I like the way it would cut bloat when on high test. Some people don't like and to each his own. I like it and will continue to use.

Not to get off topic but did you run it with an AI on the high test cycles or alone?

 

[motown1002]

I would suggest saving your money and spending it on something worthwhile unless you want it for its sexual benefits but fr that I'd just use Cialis, PT141, and prami and blow it out the water literally.

Same here. I just use the Cialis. PT-141 makes me sick. Wish I could find a way around that because it seems better than the C.

 

[DocDePanda187123]

Same here. I just use the Cialis. PT-141 makes me sick. Wish I could find a way around that because it seems better than the C.

Low dose to start and work up as needed is all I can offer. I've used too big a dose and gotten sick. Reduced it and felt great.

 

[DocDePanda187123]

I've read of it not being suppressive and actually raising lh. Probably because it binds with shbg and lowers e2. Stupid FDA hasn't approved this so it is going to be a little more tricky

More like bc it's weak as hell and doesn't do anything worthwhile that can't be had for cheaper.

 

[BigSwolePump]

More like bc it's weak as hell and doesn't do anything worthwhile that can't be had for cheaper.

Like what? I like the idea of what it says it can do. Lowering estrogen while freeing up test. I mean I know an AI can help with lowering estrogen sides but what would free up test. Or is that really not worth doing?

 

[PillarofBalance]

Like what? I like the idea of what it says it can do. Lowering estrogen while freeing up test. I mean I know an AI can help with lowering estrogen sides but what would free up test. Or is that really not worth doing?

It's not all that effective. If you want to lower e2 then use a drug that actually does that effectively.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Outside of the libido benefits, which as Doc pointed out can be found with better alternatives ie cialis that don't come with the suppressive negative, its a complete waste of money and a shitty drug in general.

Also note that the data suggesting that it doesn't suppress the system inevitably involves methodological issues, which is the primary reason why it appears that the suppression is "insignificant". Dosing once per day on a drug that has a 12-13hr half life, shit like that.

 

[BigSwolePump]

It's not all that effective. If you want to lower e2 then use a drug that actually does that effectively.

Fair enough, I have never really considered it but I can see how its claims could make someone think about it.

 

[Seeker]

There was a time when it's all there was. Not much else. Was it helpful? Yes it was. Was it 100% effective? No it was not. Because there were cases of guys still catching gyno even when using it. Obviously there are much better choices today.

 

[DocDePanda187123]

Like what? I like the idea of what it says it can do. Lowering estrogen while freeing up test. I mean I know an AI can help with lowering estrogen sides but what would free up test. Or is that really not worth doing?

The more I look into it, the more evidence I find that lowering SHBG does not increase free testosterone levels. Besides borscience parroting I can't find anything reliable that suggests altering SHBG affects free testosterone levels. Also, people assume SHBG is a bad hormone but it serves an extremely important purpose.

 

[knightmare999]

The more I look into it, the more evidence I find that lowering SHBG does not increase free testosterone levels. Besides borscience parroting I can't find anything reliable that suggests altering SHBG affects free testosterone levels. Also, people assume SHBG is a bad hormone but it serves an extremely important purpose.

Would be interested to read the evidence of lowered SHBG not increasing free testosterone if you have some links handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance.

 

[PillarofBalance]

Would be interested to read the evidence of lowered SHBG not increasing free testosterone if you have some links handy or can otherwise point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance.

You are asking him to demonstrate a negative.

 

[PillarofBalance]

Also, people assume SHBG is a bad hormone but it serves an extremely important purpose.

Quick word on wtf SHBG is/does https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2080856

 

[knightmare999]

Quick word on wtf SHBG is/does https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2080856

"Principles and Practice of Endocrinology and Metabolism" describes SHBG, also, but it seems to indicate a correlation between SHBG and free testosterone.