First Cycle Monster Extreme Lean

[widehips71]

Sorry? Don't be. You're a ****ing idiot. 1) Articles are not science. 2) Trainers are not scientists 3) You DID say there was a "crap ton of science for the ratio of". You clearly have no clue what science is since you only seem to be prepared to back up your purported claims with bodybuilding dot com articles. 4) Everyone knows nobody wants to do studies because they will see its unsafe?? I don't even know how to respond to this level of mental retardation.

 

[knightmare999]

There are studies done on steroids, btw. Just those that are scheduled for medical purposes, though, and tren wasn't legal long enough for much research or ever classified for human use.
EQ and Deca can be used to stimulate bone marrow growth, red blood cells, bone density, etc. Anything used for medical applications in humans, scheduled in the manner of deca and eq, typically has scientific research.
The specific point in question was in regards to the claim that studies were done on ratios ("science" doesn't exist without academic research, so there should be research papers corresponding with any "science" claims) between tren (which doesn't happen), eq, and deca for, presumably, your purpose of usage (i.e., performance enhancement).

 

[BigSwolePump]

If this cycle looks complex to you, I will be the guy to say this is nothing but slightly more exact than others might run but not complex at all.

What is ineffective? I'm at a loss with that comment...It's not like I'm mixing it's not like I'm mixing Trest with Clomid. I don't get what's so confusing.

Your frontloading, timing and use of several esters is complex.

Tren-A 000/ 80/ 80/ 80/ 80/
Tren-E 00/000/000/000/000/660/300/300/300/300/450/450/500/500/550/550/550/550/

You are using TrenA for 4 weeks then immediately following it with a frontloaded amount of TrenE for 13 weeks. The TrenA will be out of your system for a few weeks before the TrenE starts to take effect. Starting the TrenE at the same time as the TrenA without frontloading would make more sense. The increased sides alone from frontloading and changing your dosages so often is enough of a reason to not to it IMO.

HGH5mcg/5/5/5-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HGH for 3 weeks is completely pointless. It needs to be ran for several months to reap any noticeable benefit hence your plan is ineffective.

 

[ICEPICK]

Sorry? Don't be. You're a ****ing idiot. 1) Articles are not science. 2) Trainers are not scientists 3) You DID say there was a "crap ton of science for the ratio of". You clearly have no clue what science is since you only seem to be prepared to back up your purported claims with bodybuilding dot com articles. 4) Everyone knows nobody wants to do studies because they will see its unsafe?? I don't even know how to respond to this level of mental retardation.

sci·ence
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• the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
  
  And Published articles are science. Most scientific break-throughs are just published articles such as the theory of relativity by that fukking idiot Albert. As for your level of mental retardation you don't need to respond. Thanks for a response without a point.
  
  
  
  

 

[ICEPICK]

Your frontloading, timing and use of several esters is complex.
I realize this is not just the run of the mill but all of my froantloads have been calculated to a T including the Tren changover. I know that having Tren E build up in my system is a more traditional route but if your esters are calculated this is a more persice way of doing it. Plus the reason for the tren a is to avoid a bad combination. I have not yet had awefull tren sides even at 750 [still too much] but i've had a few friends really wish they were on A instead of E for the 2.5 weeks plus a ruined cycle. So If I was running E and A it would defeat that point.

You are using TrenA for 4 weeks then immediately following it with a frontloaded amount of TrenE for 13 weeks. The TrenA will be out of your system for a few weeks before the TrenE starts to take effect. Starting the TrenE at the same time as the TrenA without frontloading would make more sense. The increased sides alone from frontloading and changing your dosages so often is enough of a reason to not to it IMO.

If you calculate your frontload correctly you will have the exact serum level as your average except for 1 slight peak day, 2 days after second pin after that your serum level is steady.
HGH for 3 weeks is completely pointless. It needs to be ran for several months to reap any noticeable benefit hence your plan is ineffective.

You can't really think I'm only taking GH for 3 weeks I'm on 5 mcg now

I realize that traditionally most ppl just pick the dose and stay with it but a more modern approach is to get full potential of every compound without dosing anymore than is benificial. We can all just jump on 4 gr of gear and get huge for a while but that will diminish the effectiveness of fallowing cycles. Just like every drug in the world what takes 1 gr to to do X now takes more to do X the second time.

 

[widehips71]

sci·ence
ˈsīəns/
noun
[COLOR=#878787 !important][/COLOR]

• the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
  
  And Published articles are science. Most scientific break-throughs are just published articles such as the theory of relativity by that fukking idiot Albert. As for your level of mental retardation you don't need to respond. Thanks for a response without a point.
  
  
  
  

Yeah because Einstein published the theory of relatively in Playboy.

You're too dense to understand the point.

 

[ICEPICK]

There are studies done on steroids, btw. Just those that are scheduled for medical purposes, though, and tren wasn't legal long enough for much research or ever classified for human use.
EQ and Deca can be used to stimulate bone marrow growth, red blood cells, bone density, etc. Anything used for medical applications in humans, scheduled in the manner of deca and eq, typically has scientific research.
The specific point in question was in regards to the claim that studies were done on ratios ("science" doesn't exist without academic research, so there should be research papers corresponding with any "science" claims) between tren (which doesn't happen), eq, and deca for, presumably, your purpose of usage (i.e., performance enhancement).

There are studies done on Tren use in a lot of former solviet countries there is tons of psudo-studies done on steroids. I'm just saying that the amount of 2x blind, 5000 participant studies that are done for modern pharmaceuticals are not around. The STUDIES that were done on the ratios were actual logs that measured BF, muscle gain, cardio, protein synthesis, vitals on 2 BB that I know of. They were not published because they were done privatley by a "anti-aging" specialist. BTW there hasn't been an actual study published on EQ, Deca, in the us since the 70's. If you want to durive your info from a time when Quaaludes were prescribed to pregnant women and chain smoking had 0 health affects go ahead full steam.

 

[ICEPICK]

Yeah because Einstein published the theory of relatively in Playboy.

You're too dense to understand the point.

Try to explain it hot shot

 

[ICEPICK]

Yeah because Einstein published the theory of relatively in Playboy.

You're too dense to understand the point.

Why are you even arguing? either put forth information or get out of the way

 

[BigSwolePump]

You can't really think I'm only taking GH for 3 weeks I'm on 5 mcg now

I realize that traditionally most ppl just pick the dose and stay with it but a more modern approach is to get full potential of every compound without dosing anymore than is benificial. We can all just jump on 4 gr of gear and get huge for a while but that will diminish the effectiveness of fallowing cycles. Just like every drug in the world what takes 1 gr to to do X now takes more to do X the second time.

I don't know what to think. I am reading your post that shows 3 weeks.

Now you are skipping over my points and talking about using several grams of gear. No one understands what you are saying because you are terrible at communicating and when asked for clarification, you start a completely new set of points.

Good Luck dude. You wont find help here.

 

[knightmare999]

There are studies done on Tren use in a lot of former solviet countries there is tons of psudo-studies done on steroids. I'm just saying that the amount of 2x blind, 5000 participant studies that are done for modern pharmaceuticals are not around. The STUDIES that were done on the ratios were actual logs that measured BF, muscle gain, cardio, protein synthesis, vitals on 2 BB that I know of. They were not published because they were done privatley by a "anti-aging" specialist. BTW there hasn't been an actual study published on EQ, Deca, in the us since the 70's. If you want to durive your info from a time when Quaaludes were prescribed to pregnant women and chain smoking had 0 health affects go ahead full steam.

But you have access to these unpublished studies?
Ok.

As for no studies on deca or eq since qualudes, blah blah blah, here's just one of many:
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1996 Jun;10(7):745-52.
Safety and efficacy of nandrolone decanoate for treatment of wasting in patients with HIV infection.
Gold J1, High HA, Li Y, Michelmore H, Bodsworth NJ, Finlayson R, Furner VL, Allen BJ, Oliver CJ.
Author information
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To evaluate the safety and efficacy of the anabolic steroid, nandrolone...

"

 

[ICEPICK]

I'm really glad we took the time to argue frontloading and ester timming when the question was what type of oral would be a good finisher with tren

 

[BigSwolePump]

I'm really glad we took the time to argue frontloading and ester timming when the question was what type of oral would be a good finisher with tren

Guys tried to help. You avoided questions. Even now, you still don't get it. Run your awful cycle and figure it out on your own. It is obvious that nothing that is told to you is gonna sink in.

 

[ICEPICK]

Guys tried to help. You avoided questions. Even now, you still don't get it. Run your awful cycle and figure it out on your own. It is obvious that nothing that is told to you is gonna sink in.

Dude I'm not on here to argue; but other than negs or doubts on my experience I didn't get ANY REAL SUGGESTIONS. I don't know what I didn't explain that wouldn't take a hour of pasting articles and notes.

I see a lot more ppl running "crossover" stacks especially on long cycles. Even seeing it pop up on forums. I realize many ppl like to stick with what they know but, but I think it's an evolving science. Crossover is a term I caught on a forum where a guy is running

Test-C 250mg all 24 weeks
Deca 600mg all 24 weeks
Primo 600mg week 1-16 900mg week 16-24
EQ 600mg week 1-16 300mg week 16-24
Mast E 350mg week 1-14 700mg week 14-24

And in this case his crossover is EQ to Mast where my main cross was Deca to Tren. He is also amping up Primo when it shines and combines with the peak of Mast.