Second Cycle

[MP454vision]

Hello,


On my first cycle I had great gains that I managed to keep, now that my PCT is done, I am taking some time-off.
I am preparing my second cycle and would like to have your opinion.


I was planning to do the following :

• 1-4 Anadrol 50mgED
• 4-12 Tren Ace 75mgEOD
• 1-12 Sustanon 250mgEW

For PCT :

• 14-15 100mg Clomid ED and 40mg Nolva ED
• 16-17 50mg Clomid ED and 20mg Nolva ED

I am still trying to figure out which AI I can put my hands on.
My goal is to build lean mass and strength (like everyone I guess...).
Sustanon is actually a bit cheaper than Test E with my supplier, and I assume that it will take less time to kick-in.
I am well aware of the sides of Tren which is why I choose a short esters, so that it doesn't take too long to clear my body.

Anything I forget ?
Should I be concerned about Prolactin ?
How is the water retention on Drol compared to Dbol ?
How common is trensomnia ? Is it proportional to the dosage ?


Any advice welcome

 

[MP454vision]

Or should I start the Tren from day one ?

 

[Gibsonator]

sustanon has a mixture of short, medium and long esters I wouldn't say there's enough prop in it to kick in faster. Also because of the longer ester decoanate I would run it 16 weeks. Arimidex should do. Happy trails

 

[DF]

You should have extra Nolva on hand fro the Drol.

 

[BRICKS]

Start the tren ace on day one.

 

[MP454vision]

DF, I am not sure what this will do, can you elaborate ? I only ever took Nolva for PCT

The sustanon I see with my source is:
30mg prop
60mg phenylprop
60mg isocaproate
100mg decanoate

Maybe I should go with regular enanthate.
Having tren in my system before test kicks in won't make me feel like shit from the tetosterone suppression Bricks ?

 

[MP454vision]

I often see eople running test low with tren, which is why I put 250mg. I'd prefer to use only propionate so I can pin EOD with the Tren but it's expensive ...

EDIT ; nevermind, my source has prop from GM pharmaceuticals, 10 vials of 2ml at 100mg/ml for 60 euros, I might go for that and pin 1ml EOD with the tren.

 

[MP454vision]

So, for now, my order for next month looks like that :

Testosterone propionate - 10 x 2ml/vial (100mg/1ml)
2 x 60,00€ 120,00€

Trenbolon acetate - 10 x2ml/vial (75mg/1ml)
2 x 110,00€ 220,00€


Anadrol 50 (Oxymetholone) - 100tabs (50mg/tab)
1x 81,00€ 81,00€



Clomiphene Citrate - 24 tabs (50mg/tab)
2x 18,00€ 36,00€


Arimidex (Anastrozole) - 28 tabl. (1mg/tab)
1x 69,00€ 69,00€


Nolvadex-d (tamoxifen) - 30 tabs (20mg/tab)
1x 21,00€ 21,00€

Oh, and I will be on Curacne prescribed by my dermatologist.

 

[PillarofBalance]

You are way overthinking the esters especially considering the popular "tri blend" has test prop and tren ace along with the mast.

Drol causes gyno but not by usual means. Controlling e2 will not stop gyno from drol. So take the nolva

100mg Clomid is major overkill.

Drol and dbol comparison is basically both make you strong and big . Dbol and drol cause gyno (differently tho). Drol and dbol both make you hold water but in my experience drol puts less water sub q. Not a fair assessment on my part tho.

 

[MP454vision]

the 100mg clomid come from the "first cycle, all you need to know" thread.
How much Nova do you take on 50mg of Anadrol ?

I am not sure what your advice is regarding esthers. What would you take ?

 

[Gibsonator]

no point in telling everyone the prices dude lol

 

[MP454vision]

This is what I looked like during my first cycle. I want to look harder and more vascular. Which is why I took Tren.
I wonder if I should take Tbol instead of Anadrol to avoid water retention ...

 

[MP454vision]

Sorry, I just copy pasted ^^

 

[PillarofBalance]

the 100mg clomid come from the "first cycle, all you need to know" thread.
How much Nova do you take on 50mg of Anadrol ?

I am not sure what your advice is regarding esthers. What would you take ?

Acetate, propionate, enanthate... these are names of esters, not esthers. My point was start the sus and tren same day. You won't have a problem.

100mg Clomid is too much I stand by that.

20 to 40mg nolva while on drol. I don't take it until I have an issue. Start at 20 if that doesn't help do 40.

 

[MP454vision]

Yup, ester not esther, that's my friend's name xD
Thank you for the advice.

 

[MP454vision]

20 to 40mg nolva while on drol. I don't take it until I have an issue. Start at 20 if that doesn't help do 40.​

So you recommend to do 20 right away or to wait for issues ?
How do I know if I have an issue ? ^^"
Sorry for the dumb questions ...

One more thing, what is a good "preventive" dosage for arimidex. For my first cycle, POB, you told me 0.5mg twice a week if I remember correctly. Would I go for the same thing here ?

Thanks​

 

[MP454vision]

I didn't check the length of the pin when buying my siringes. They are only 5/8". Is it enough ? I know I had 1" last time.

 

[Metalhead1]

Smaller muscles should be ok. Especially if your bf is on the lower side. I wouldn't do glutes with them. I personally don't use anything smaller than 1

 

[MP454vision]

My bodyfat must be at around 13 ... you can clearly see all my abs ...
I'll pin in the quads then.

 

[Chillinlow]

Have you done your quads before? Just curious