What you've used / what was your experience

dk8594

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I ran whinny for 8 weeks 50mg tabs cut in half. So 25mg daily. I don't see where it would matter if you ran whinny with it. I had horrible sides with it though. Acne, broke 3 ribs (was benching 2x body weight), deepen voice, muscle cramps, night sweat (like wake up and have to change clothes from sweating so bad) Experience all that at about week 3. Once stopping all went away though. Honestly Ive never tried s4 so i cant compare the 2 but the gains is totally worth it but hard to keep. Water weight was a issue to. It took me about 2 weeks to get off the extra water.

Anavar was or has been my favorite. Only side i really got with that was the acne which I can deal with. I ran it 2x daily and was able to take a higher dosage. Although i seem to get the same effect off ostarine as i did the anavar and I keep the gains.

Fitnesscake8it had a good post yesterday. She used a format of what she did/ what she thought, which gave a succinct, first-hand account, of her experiences with different drugs.

If she doesn’t mind us stealing it, thought it might be a helpful format for us to build on to help us learn from each other’s’ experience. Here are my experiences. I’d love to hear yours. Especially if you have experience with d-bol, Tren, or Winny or if your experiences with any of the below were different than mine.

Testosterone Cream (Test Propionate 200mg). Started my TRT journey with the cream (what can I say, I had never been big fan of needles). Since my total test was ~300 before starting TRT, I felt awesome when I started with the cream. There was a of variation with the absorption, though. Even though I used a consistent daily amount, my blood tests showed my TT as high as >1500 and as low a mid-700. Overall, thought it worked from a therapeutic standpoint. Low-T symptoms ceased. However, like I’m sure everyone on TRT eventually asks, I started to wonder if there was something that could make me feel even more better. Hence, I faced my fear of needles and switched to Test Cyp. Will say, though, from a sex standpoint, the cream gives you a nice, quick, "pulse"



Testosterone Cyp
. (Dosages from 200mg/week – 800mg/week) We probably all have experience with this, so I won’t go into mine, but I will say that for me I started hitting diminishing returns between 600 and 800. I've always loved the results with this, which is one of the reasons I haven't tried many other things...just haven't seen the need.

HCG ( 500Ius 2x week) Have done trt both with and without HCG. I’ve noted the physical side effects of not using it, but from a overall sense of well-being, it didn’t seem to add much.

Nandrolone (200-400mg week). Found that it helped with joint pain. Also found that decca dick is a real thing. If I ran test/decca ratio of 1:1 my libido sucked. Have had to run it a least a 2:1 ratio to stay normal. From a gains perspective, I’ve never been sure how much it added beyond what I’d get from running testosterone alone.

T3 (60-120mg/day) Of what I’ve taken, this is the only one that I’ve sworn I’ll never do again. Sides were horrible (fatigue, sleeplessness, feeling flat, muscle loss). I had high, and perhaps unrealistic,expectations that I’d melt fat this this, but what happened was that I melted everything. I did this while I was on 400mg of test, but still lost muscle. I was constantly fatigued, pumps were non-existent, and the expected results were never achieved. Found it much easier to eat fewer calories than to go through a T3 cycle.

Anavar (50mg/day) I’ve used this twice: once when I was trying to diet, and stupidly, thought it would help me cut, once when I was already cut. I noticed results if I was less than 10% BF (harder look), didn’t notice much at all if I wasn’t. In both cases, I had to stop after 45 days. Anavar crashedmy HDL both times. It’s also damn expensive. Not sure I’d use this again unless I was getting ready for the stage.

Clen I am hesistant to write a review of this because I have only used it once and what I got it was from an RC and have doubts about the legitimacy of it. However, it was truly Clen, I'd say felt like about 5 cups of strong coffee. Like the T3, I was better off just eating fewer calories


I've been lucky and have never experienced much in the way of side effects with the exception of anavar dropping my HDL and needing to keep on top of my blood work with the TRT.
 
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I like the idea. Thanks for the info: I will try and keep this as a "summary"

Started TRT about 8 years ago with Androgel. Basically didn't feel much. Expectations were probably too high as I had already had several cycles under my belt. Needless to say about a year or so ago, I stopped and thought it would be better for me at my age to cruise.

Test C/E (300-1g) To me, this is the foundation for all cycles. Love the test. Since I am an "experienced" bb'er I don't ever run test alone. He needs a partner. But as said above, I think we all know what test does.

Deca (400-800mg) This is my goto when trying to pack on the muscle with not a huge concern for a "little" fat. Never really experienced the Deca Dick as my test is always 1.5 to 2x the deca dosage for the most part. It does seem to alleviate some joint pain.

NPP (500mg) If I do a short blast, this is my test partner. Love the NPP. For some reason I like this even better than Deca even though same stuff, different ester.

Tren E/A - (400-600mg) I have only used these a few times. Tren E is a bitch. For some reason, the sides on get with E are much worse than A. Insomnia, night sweats, lethargy are terrible. I had to stop the E last time because I was having trouble climbing stairs. So, if I ever do Tren again, it will be A. Love the strength and sex though.

EQ - (600-800mg) This is the one that has to go for the long haul. I take this for 16 weeks when blasting. It seems a good compliment for test. Doesn't seem to make me look bloated or fat. Helps with the appetite. I really have to watch by RBC's when on this. I still prefer deca, but sometimes will run both.

D-bol - (50mg daily) Of all the orals this one of my favs. I will sometimes use this as a kickstart and use for only 4 weeks. I gain a few pounds right away (water) but I get strong really fast with this one. Might do this once a year, maybe.

Drol - (50mg-75) Nope! Tried it more than once and didn't like it. I seem to get every possible bad side with this one. Cant eat, sick feeling, fatigue. This one can go in the trash as far as I am concerned. lol

Var - (40-80mg) This is by far my most favorite of all the orals. No water retention. Fair on the strength, but makes me look very hard and even more veiny. I have to be lean though. I don't take this if my bf is above 12. I get so bad sides with var.

MastP (200-400mg) Just started this my last cycle. Loved it. This seems to also give me the hard look. I did try this once before and couldn't really notice anything, but my bf was in the 14% range. I had no business taking it then. At single digit bf, I can see what its doing. Seems to help in the bedroom too. Always a plus.

And yes always, and I say always use AI. Stane is my fav. 12.5 every third day for me. If I do it more, me E2 drops a little too low.

I will tell you one thing that I have found out, the hard way. Diet is king my friends. I will say that again. DIET, DIET, DIET. You can take anything you want, but if your diet is bad and you don't eat enough, no pills or drugs will do anything for you. When I first started, I wasn't even thinking about diet. I was thinking that the drugs make up for it right....no. The drugs only help IF you are eating enough. Cant make muscle out of air.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for rambling.

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started 2 years ago,test 600-1,5g
lowest test 600 cruising
my sweet spot of test -1g
longest time cruising =4weeks
ill keep mine short
tren - shite ,cant eat
deca- shite ,cant shag
mast- give me more ,love it,just love it.
var-i dont knew ,will be my first oral ,interduceing in 2 weeks time.
THC =OH YES
ABOVE ALL its eat right.you are what you eat.
 

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DK,

The sides that you experienced on the T3 were bad. I took T3 and Clen when I was cutting in the fall and didn't get any of those. I took as soon as I got my ass out of bed. Guess I was lucky, or you were just like me and the drol. lol
 

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DK,

The sides that you experienced on the T3 were bad. I took T3 and Clen when I was cutting in the fall and didn't get any of those. I took as soon as I got my ass out of bed. Guess I was lucky, or you were just like me and the drol. lol

Appreciate you posting. You've had a lot of experience with things I've been considering and it's good to hear your thoughts.

My clen experience I'm just chalking up to using an RC. It could have been 30000mg of caffeine for all I know. The T3 was scripted so I'm confident in the quality/dose. It just made me feel like ass. Glad your experience is better. I split my dose AM/mid-afternoon, which may have started a sleeplessness->fatigue-> feeling like ass cycle.

If I ever get tempted to use it again, I may be reaching out to you. It's good to hear, know of, someone who has used it with success. Appreciate your comment on dieting as well. I'll speak for myself here, but when started down this road 20 years ago, I over estimated the value of the drugs and underestimated the value of the diet; a lesson I learned the hard way.
 

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started 2 years ago,test 600-1,5g
lowest test 600 cruising
my sweet spot of test -1g
longest time cruising =4weeks
ill keep mine short
tren - shite ,cant eat
deca- shite ,cant shag
mast- give me more ,love it,just love it.
var-i dont knew ,will be my first oral ,interduceing in 2 weeks time.
THC =OH YES
ABOVE ALL its eat right.you are what you eat.

Based on how hard you look, I would have sworn you were already on var. You didn't mention your sheep protocol, though. Quit holding out.
 
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Based on how hard you look, I would have sworn you were already on var. You didn't mention your sheep protocol, though. Quit holding out.

oh aye my secret weapon. my sheep piss cocktail .piss must be warm and have a ph of 5.8 to 6.2

cheers brother. Nah not yet ,ill try some in 2 weeks time,while on the test ,mast journey iam on atm.

running mast for 15 weeks along side my test,on week 4 with the mast run ,so ill be on week 6/15 when i introduce the var for 5 weeks.
then back to test only,untill i add the next compound on my list, happydays
 
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Since some new people may read this, I will discuss what many may attempt.
First I am 37 and live a blast and cruise life with bloodwork.
First cycle I was an idiot.... at 500mg
Test E/wk with 50mg Anadrol first 5 weeks.
Did a PCT, felt like crap.
I did not have an AI. Luckily no bad sides.

Next cycle was Dbol 40mg ED for 5wks and started at week 1 frontload of 1 gram Test E. Next 5 weeks, 600mg, next 5wks 800mg, last 5 weeks 1 gram.
Aromasin 6mg EOD. Nolvadex 10mg EOD.

At 1 gram it felt good. However, test alone was nothing compared to when I did 700mg Test E/wk 500mg of NPP/wk.
No caber, had prami on hand. Never touched it.
Aromasin 6mg ED.

So, what I can say is many say "take caber at this and that dosage, or prami at this, ".
Keep estro in check, and you don't have to use dopamine antagonist just because. Having on hand is a good idea.

Test only is not all it's cracked up to be.

I should have done first cycle like my second, to see how I reacted to higher dosages.
Only because I was already training consistently for years so my gains were not as remarkable as those who start lifting for 6 months and jump on gear then blow up.

At least have a solid year or two of training.

This shit is not magic and screw what studies show about gaining mass without working out. You won't get jacked like that. Yiu have to eat right and work out and may take a couple cycles before you would be considered jacked.

I have seen people run gear thinking it was magic, and they found out quick that there is no reward without hard work and sacrifice.
 
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Ill keep mine short too

Test c: TRT and up to 600/wk. Awesome, and I disagree with above, test only is all its cracked up to be, diet and training brother...
Tren a and e: love it. 100 eod or 400 wk. Zero sides. Except I get hungry as fk.
Mast e: who doesn't like mast. 600 wk, most excellent boners
Var: didn't notice much at 50/day. 100 day split 50/50 am/pm for the win.
Now, put those all together, best I've ever looked
 

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Test and Var are my favs
Was on 1g Test Cyp and 40mg Var for a year straight w/20mg Cialis ed....
 

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Test and Var are my favs
Was on 1g Test Cyp and 40mg Var for a year straight w/20mg Cialis ed....

only thing I wish I would've changed was my A.I. dose. Was on .6mg arimidex (1mg/ml) eod; I should've just taken it when I needed it vs following protocol. Could've gotten more outta the cycle.
 

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Test/deca/mast/anadrol
test/var
So far only good experiences with these. Going to jump on the tren train later in the year!
 

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Test = Best. Done all the esters and sust and omnadren etc. I love you all dearly. Can't handle TNE anymore
Deca = yes please
Tren = not anymore
Mast = I want to keep whats left of my hair and don't want to be more oily then Jada
EQ = loved back in the day but not anymore with RBC and BP issues
Winny = I'm to old to pin white liquids anymore
Dbol = snake doesn't know what he's talking about. Everyone loves dbol
Drol = gave me nosebleeds. Never tried UG drol
Var = awesome except my lipids
Halo = I once knocked a guy off a bicycle for "looking at me funny". awesome strength gains though.
Proviron = boners...kind of...I think...save your money
HCG = have another kid

I probably missed something, and not writing a novel about ancillaries, different brands, old mexican gear and the pain of Denkall T400 or Reforvit-B injectable dbol. This is as long a post as my ADD will allow.
 
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Test (E,C,Sust, Susp, you name it) = Ran up to a gram and as low as 200 Mg; prefer to keep it low and let other compounds drive
Deca = Not for me; bloat like the Michelin Man
Tren = Me love/hate relationship; Most grainy as I get and strength for days; Insomnia, night sweats if I don't watch me carbs; makes me want to hump the fireplace
Mast = Just love, no hate; boners for days, vascular as a roadmap; endurance like a marathoner in the gym
EQ = Slow, steady gains; appetite like a wolverine; my fav dancing partner with Test & Mast
VAR = Not impressed; not a fan of orals in general but Var didn't blow up me skirt
Proviron = Dude, just pin Mast already...
HCG = The social pages say I've got the biggest balls of all
 

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Things I love and work: tren, test, masteron, tbol, deca

Things I hated: equipoise and dbol. Not too big of a fan of NPP either.
 

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Test = Best. Done all the esters and sust and omnadren etc. I love you all dearly. Can't handle TNE anymore
Deca = yes please
Tren = not anymore
Mast = I want to keep whats left of my hair and don't want to be more oily then Jada
EQ = loved back in the day but not anymore with RBC and BP issues
Winny = I'm to old to pin white liquids anymore
Dbol = snake doesn't know what he's talking about. Everyone loves dbol
Drol = gave me nosebleeds. Never tried UG drol
Var = awesome except my lipids
Halo = I once knocked a guy off a bicycle for "looking at me funny". awesome strength gains though.
Proviron = boners...kind of...I think...save your money
HCG = have another kid

I probably missed something, and not writing a novel about ancillaries, different brands, old mexican gear and the pain of Denkall T400 or Reforvit-B injectable dbol. This is as long a post as my ADD will allow.

Var messed with your lipids?
 

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