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    regurgitated research

    Is it me or does it seem like every time you go to research something on line, the same shit seems to pop up. There's always those people saying that to lose weight, don't eat before bed or the advice to not run a Test cycle less then 8 weeks. But I'm talking about the real studies. Just an example; the same "Deca strengthens tendons by increasing collagen synthesis". That rat study has been quoted a million times. I also think there is evidence to dispute that now, but that's for another time.

    I know it's hard to study AAS in the context that we use them but I wish there was more reliable information. Sometimes I wonder what the hell they are going to say about the things we take as "Fact" 20 years from now. Good chance 20 years from now I won't be lifting but to view some of the posts I made would probably be embarrassing when that time comes.
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    I've always been surprised that they're haven't been studies in other countries regarding AAS to have leaked out. It seems like the Russians, Chinese, and East Germans would have been all over that. It's frustrating, though.

    I've been able to pick up things that seemed directionally accurate by searching around, but the best I've been able to do is become my own lab rat, try to limit variables, get blood work done, and journal with pics. It's not exactly scientific (I can never limit all of the variables), but it seems to get me in the ball park as to how my body responds.

    Makes me always question how those who do a shot gun approach know what the heck is going on.

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    I addressed the Deca topic in a previous thread of yours and it certainly wasn't regurgitated in any way, shape or form

    The reality of the situation is this: most people have no ****ing idea how to interpret research and, more importantly, have no interest in taking the time to learn how to do this. As a result, you get regurgitation. I've provided plenty of examples in this sub-forum of how to dissect research to see what it really means and even tried to address some common interpretation problems that people face.
    Like, the whole "you can find a study to support any view point" complaint that I see ALL the time on this & other boards. One of the sticky threads here deals directly with interpreting conflicting data results and I know for a fact that the folks who bitch about this the most are also the least likely to read that thread and learn to overcome this issue.

    My point: what the data shows and what people (including the authors) say it shows is not the same thing. The first is factual (well, should be), the other is not for a myriad of reasons. if you learn how to look at the data yourself, regurgitation by others becomes a non-issue.
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    For those users who jump to this thread from the new posts listing. (It’s in the same section as this thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRippedZilla View Post
    I addressed the Deca topic in a previous thread of yours and it certainly wasn't regurgitated in any way, shape or form

    The reality of the situation is this: most people have no ****ing idea how to interpret research and, more importantly, have no interest in taking the time to learn how to do this. As a result, you get regurgitation. I've provided plenty of examples in this sub-forum of how to dissect research to see what it really means and even tried to address some common interpretation problems that people face.
    Like, the whole "you can find a study to support any view point" complaint that I see ALL the time on this & other boards. One of the sticky threads here deals directly with interpreting conflicting data results and I know for a fact that the folks who bitch about this the most are also the least likely to read that thread and learn to overcome this issue.

    My point: what the data shows and what people (including the authors) say it shows is not the same thing. The first is factual (well, should be), the other is not for a myriad of reasons. if you learn how to look at the data yourself, regurgitation by others becomes a non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PillarofBalance View Post
    Learning is work and a lot of people aren't willing to make the effort.
    Yet those people are willing to bitch about not understanding a topic or, worse, criticize others for exposing their ignorance on a topic. Because it's easier. A self-destructive cycle.

    I take great pleasure in being able to understand. Progressing towards it is not something I consider to be "work" but actually pretty enjoyable. Hence, my inability to relate to those who voluntarily partake in the above cycle.
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    the best research is done with a small group of experienced juicheads that tried everything multiple times and actually look like they workout..90% of the guys posting on boards are a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bro Bundy View Post
    the best research is done with a small group of experienced juicheads that tried everything multiple times and actually look like they workout..90% of the guys posting on boards are a joke.
    Especially the ones with sub par genetics that still look like they lift.

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    idiots & the holier than thou

    equally annoying at anyrate

    so .......

    Now close the thread

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    Problem is a lot of data bases do require a fee for access to them. When I was in school they gave us access to a ton of medical data bases that always required fees but were apart of the curriculum so the fee was waived. Should've taken advantage of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gear Grinder View Post
    Problem is a lot of data bases do require a fee for access to them. When I was in school they gave us access to a ton of medical data bases that always required fees but were apart of the curriculum so the fee was waived. Should've taken advantage of them.
    If you find an abstract you want just email the actual researcher. They will send it to you for nothing 99.99% of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeigler View Post
    idiots & the holier than thou

    equally annoying at anyrate

    so .......
    Twice as annoying when they look like they lift.
    What happens in "the real world" is much more important than what occurs in isolated, scientific trials when trying to make a "real world" application.

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