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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    yeah, the article mentions when the feds cracked down on Mexico is when things started to change and China became the big players. Thanks to the Feds trying to stop all trafficking, now we have more steroids, but are more dangerous and of shitty quality.
    Big Pharma and politicians steered 'the Feds'. Ironic how they can impact AAS so dramatically but conveniently cannot make a dent in the opiate crisis.
    What happens in "the real world" is much more important than what occurs in isolated, scientific trials when trying to make a "real world" application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PFM View Post
    Big Pharma and politicians steered 'the Feds'. Ironic how they can impact AAS so dramatically but conveniently cannot make a dent in the opiate crisis.
    That's because big pharma makes money off the opioids. Even if they're sold on the street they came from a big company. But steroids on the other hand, raws are obtained and the product is made 2nd hand. Big pharma can't have that. I think that's why you are seeing more and more legitimate testosterone prescriptions. Used to be a pain in the ass to get a testosterone script, now everyone has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PFM View Post
    Big Pharma and politicians steered 'the Feds'. Ironic how they can impact AAS so dramatically but conveniently cannot make a dent in the opiate crisis.
    I have a very strong feeling that is all going to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaydub View Post
    That's because big pharma makes money off the opioids. Even if they're sold on the street they came from a big company. But steroids on the other hand, raws are obtained and the product is made 2nd hand. Big pharma can't have that. I think that's why you are seeing more and more legitimate testosterone prescriptions. Used to be a pain in the ass to get a testosterone script, now everyone has one.
    This is exactly what i was thinking, as long as the bigger companies are making money left and right off the Rx drugs they will stay around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfm View Post
    big pharma and politicians steered 'the feds'. Ironic how they can impact aas so dramatically but conveniently cannot make a dent in the opiate crisis.
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    It doesn't compare. I used to watch guys blow up running the old one 10 ml vial of cyp cycle. Literally see guys put on 10-15lbs in 8 weeks of 250mg wk for 8 weeks with 500mg during week 4 and 5.

    My first cycle was 300mg of signature pharmacy test cyp and 20mg of pink thai dbol. I put on 25-30lbs in 10 weeks. First time I ran tren ace it was old fina conversion kit and I ran 50mg 3x a week with an amp of sustanon and was shredded.

    I knew guys who were 250+ and lean as hell and none of them were running grams a week. I was always taught by the old school guys to keep your entire stack to a gram a week - tops.

    Sometimes I wonder if it's because we didn't use AI's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieYoungStrong View Post
    It doesn't compare. I used to watch guys blow up running the old one 10 ml vial of cyp cycle. Literally see guys put on 10-15lbs in 8 weeks of 250mg wk for 8 weeks with 500mg during week 4 and 5.

    My first cycle was 300mg of signature pharmacy test cyp and 20mg of pink thai dbol. I put on 25-30lbs in 10 weeks. First time I ran tren ace it was old fina conversion kit and I ran 50mg 3x a week with an amp of sustanon and was shredded.

    I knew guys who were 250+ and lean as hell and none of them were running grams a week. I was always taught by the old school guys to keep your entire stack to a gram a week - tops.

    Sometimes I wonder if it's because we didn't use AI's?
    I wouldn't think that 250mg of Test from the past wouldn't be any different than 250mg of todays Test. many people are still using Pharma grade Test for TRT. 250mg of test would put me near a trough of 1500 ng/dl. I would think that Pharma grade test from 20+ years ago would do the same. Maybe the older Pharma Test gave a better effect on Free Testosterone levels? IDK I would hope the Pharmaceutical Grades didn't suffer potency as well.

    Now as far as other Anabolics... Dbol and just about everything else is not not what it used to be. you could get great results off of 20-30 mg/day. a lot of the Dbol pills came in 5mg form. now the recommended dose is 50mg and I see people running 100mg. yet still people aren't seeing the results compared to running pink Thai 5mg Dbols. it's become sad.

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    There's no way I can take a 100mg of dbol, I tried 50 mg one-time and blood pressure went through the roof and I felt like shit. 20 or 30 mg still my sweet spot. As far as I'm concerned if you're not seeing anything off of it at 50 mg why go to 100mg? God only knows what's in it and it sure as hell ain't D ball, just throw it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieYoungStrong View Post
    It doesn't compare. I used to watch guys blow up running the old one 10 ml vial of cyp cycle. Literally see guys put on 10-15lbs in 8 weeks of 250mg wk for 8 weeks with 500mg during week 4 and 5.

    My first cycle was 300mg of signature pharmacy test cyp and 20mg of pink thai dbol. I put on 25-30lbs in 10 weeks. First time I ran tren ace it was old fina conversion kit and I ran 50mg 3x a week with an amp of sustanon and was shredded.

    I knew guys who were 250+ and lean as hell and none of them were running grams a week. I was always taught by the old school guys to keep your entire stack to a gram a week - tops.

    Sometimes I wonder if it's because we didn't use AI's?
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    That first cycle of 500/wk test e from QV was insane. Add some pink Thais or blue hearts and it was over. I was superman. Shoot.. my muscles are getting a pump even thinking about them golden days.

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    Not the same as before. That's obvious for those who were running AAS back in the 70"s 80"s and parts of 90"s.
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