"natty 4 life" going on a cycle, pictures attached

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pavkica

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Hello, in about 2 months from now i am going on a first cycle and looking for advice and criticism, i'd like to introduce myself in detail with pictures, numbers, what i'd like to accomplish, how i plan to do things short and long term, much questions

Dont know to pose, dont like to take pictures of myself so dont have many, here are some from the last year 2017, from that time i did one more small bulk and right now i am cutting to that bodyfat and then i will start the cycle, gained some strength and maybe 1kg of muscle from that time last year but basically this is the look now, about 80kg or 180 pounds:



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i dont want to be rude arrogant or whatever but if you are looking worse than me with AAS, or know everything just from what you read on internet, please, PLEASE do not give me any advice, just go back and continue browsing something else

I will hire one local guru just before the cycle, but want to hear other opinions and to be ready if he tells me to do something non-optimally, or even not hire him if the things are very simple.

Not looking to write a story, here are some hints about me that comes to my mind without any chronological order i think one should know when giving advice, much talking about myself with too much –me- myself- -I- so be ready ;) , much thinking and concerning, criticize each hint if you have anything to say, good or bad,

-28 years old, in the gym almost 10 years, about 7 years with devotion, consistency and doing things right (at least i like to think so), gained about 15kg/30 pounds of muscle in that time, did about 6-7 bulks and cuts , in each i jumped about 20-30 pounds and then cut down. gains slowed down very much, im pretty much satisfied with the look, just want some size - that is the reason for going on a steroids (well testosterone only to be specific)


-height 178cm or 5ft 10,, weight about 80-82 kilograms or 180 pounds after the cut, looking to be about 90kg/200 pounds shredded with testosterone


-as far as strength goes, i dont do 1 repetition maximum, here are what i did for reps at 85kg/185 pounds bodyweight, bench 100kg/225 x13, deadlift 180kg/405 x10, squat 140kg/315 x13


-interested in testosterone only, other steroids are big no for now. I'd like to double what i gained naturally, gain (and know i can) about 12-15kg / 25-30 pounds in 3-4 months from testosterone and with how i plan to do things with food and everything. After each natural cutting season i gain about nice 5-6kg/12 pounds in 3 months after bump in the calories(carbs), with minor bodyfat increase, so i know i can jump twice or even three times as much with the help from injectable testosterone. Once again, not interested in anything else (MAYBE anavar one day), not reffering just to first cycle, im talking about that i am not interested in anything else in future cycles, i just want to continue doing bulks and cuts with added testosterone help. With that in mind, interest in testosterone only, should i even do –cycles- or just get on it and stay on it? As far as i know, staying on a testosterone is not a big deal, in the worst case scenario i can shut down my HPTA completely for life and to be in need for testosterone replacement therapy for life, but i dont see problem in that. i planned anyway going and staying on TRT for life after the age 40, for quality of life, to depend on one shot of testosterone enanthate /week is not a big deal. But my major concern with staying on it is follows:


-my major concern is fertility, i want to be able to impregnate woman one day normally, i want to have children. altough from what i researched i shouldn't be worried much, i should be able to just come off the testosterone, take some time off and everything should be working good again because testosterone is mild drug and not strong supressor, right? Maybe just add some hcg when fertility /pregnancy is wanted.



-plan is testosterone enathate, i have quality pharmaceutical grade, 500mg weekly, for 12 to 16 weeks depends on should i even cycle?and will the gains continue after 12 week period.



- not interested in just 10 pounds water gain from testosterone which im gonna lose after i get off it (like many do because they keep other bodybuilding factors the same), so i will bump up my food on a cycle. back in the day when i was 70kg/155 of muscle my caloric needs (maintenance) were about 2500 calories, now with 82kg/180 pounds it is 3500 calories. With that in mind and that i want to be 90kg/200+ pounds with testosterone, logically i should bump up my food also. Right now i am cutting, when i get to the bodyfat from the pictures i will get on maintenance calories and shot testosterone. Monday/Thursday, each 250mg. I heard testosterone enanthate takes long to kick in, so i wont bump up the food immediately from the shot, plan is to bump up the food/get in caloric suficit from the week 4, about 21 days from the shot, jump to 4000 calories and each week i plan to add 100 calories, that way i will make continuous muscle gains (without plateauing about week 6 from feeling the medicine which many experience), so after 12 weeks from the shot and start of feeling the testosterone i will be eating about 4800-5000 calories and preferrably be about 12kg/25 pounds heavier. I dont mind going slight up in bodyfat, my estimation is that my bodyfat on the pictures is 8-10%, i dont mind getting to 15% with 15kg/30 pounds more after the cycle.



-starting from that week 4/4000calories my macros are planned 300g protein, 100g fat, 500g carbs. Adding carbs for that 100kcal weekly bump. Altough i think i tolerate carbs good, i dont know can i be eating too much of them, can 700g carbs daily be too much and cause some water retention problems? Or should i stay on 500g carbs and add fats.



-ESTROGEN. This is big question. Should i be concerned with estrogen? Some say with this low bodyfat that i wont have any problems and that i shouldnt take anything. But possibility is always there. I remember my nipples was hurting back in the 6th grade when i was about 12 years old for one period when puberty kicked in, maybe this is the sign that i am predisposed for problems with gyno.
Should i take arimidex 0.25mg every other day no matter what from the beggining, or just in the case of some side effects? I read something about that arimidex or aromateze inhibitor can lower the muscle gains in the cycle. I supplied myself with arimidex, nolvadex, letrozol, dont have aromasin, hcg, clomid. Is taking arimidex 0.25mg every 3rd day or twice a week (with testosterone shots) bad, beacuse it stays active about 50hours? Estrogen fluctuations in the case of low frequency arimidex?



- After the cycle, if i decide to do that way and not stay on that dose or 250mg cruise, what then? Some people told me that i even dont need PCT, that the cycle is mild and that i will recover just fine without anything. Others say that PCT is must have and that those first people are crazy. Both have valid arguments. So i planned to do something in between, from the week 5 (starting 29 day) from last shot of testosterone enathate (because it stays in the system for so long) start taking nolvadex only , 20mg every day for 1 month. Then take one more month without anything and then repeat the process of 500mg testosterone. Is that fine?



-as far as food goes after the cycle, i plan to continue eating 5000kcal daily, that way muscle loss should be minimum, just lower protein from 300g to 200g and bump up the good fats, also lower the carbs from 700 to 500g but with fats for exchange for calories.



-as far as blood work goes, i dont have money to do everything frequently every 1-2 months as it is reccomended because it is crazy expensive here, but i can do estradiol only, or some other thing, lh or fsh. By the way here are my natural blood work, im concerned that they didnt use sensitive assay for the estradiol?
 

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here are the blood work pictures, hope you can understand what is what



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Welcome and damn, nice write up.. a lot of knowledgeable ppl here.. keep it up!
 

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What someone looks like has nothing to do with their knowledge of aas(not saying i know alot im just saying)...welcome to the ug

Check out all the stickies in the different sections...this will answer alot of those questions once youve done that hit us back with more specific questions.

Also go do a new member intro..we like that around here
 

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You have good genetics . A test cycle should give u some nice new gains..
 

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Yeah, the ego kind of passed me on that one.

Good base to build from, and not a bad plan at all.
 

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As said above, youre much too small to be so full of yourself on a muscle building forum. You have a good physique for some sort of surfer type modeling.

Having said that, your plan does sound solid and is remarkably well thought out compared to what most people on here post for first cycle.

Im not an AAS guy personally, but youve come to the right place for solid knowledge by experienced people who shoot straight.
 

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Kind of torn between the ego and the fact that he posted up bloodwork... it's like he ALMOST redeemed himself. I say run Test for 12 weeks with an AI (depending on bloodwork) and have your PCT lined up. You should still be able to have kids naturally.
 

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said i didnt want to be arrogant, cant edit the post now and delete that part:32 (4): sorry about that ego thing if it sounded like that, its not because of ego, just want the best advice from the people that have experience, tried stuff, know for sure and have RESULTS. i am sorry but talk without results on yourself or others is worthless, lets say you want to solve huge math problem and one math charlatan is giving you advice on how you should solve it , yet he can't solve it, but he is 100% sure that his methods will solve it, but again and again he can't solve it, he can solve only basic math tasks. why would you listen to him? something, somewhere, some variable is wrong in his approach and not letting him solve big stuff. go listen to other guy who can solve it.
analogy for my case, im sure following some advice on how to approach everything around my 500mg testosterone cycle would leave me with 15 pounds gain and bad cholesterol, other advice would leave me with 25 pounds gain and fine cholesterol levels. i want this other advice.

What someone looks like has nothing to do with their knowledge of aas(not saying i know alot im just saying)...

yeah looks-knowledge is not always exact correlation but there are so many guys that take stuff, have low or mediocre results yet they feel competent at giving advice just because they take stuff and are alive.
really not trying to be arrogant or full of myself, but from lets say 20 guys in my gym that take AAS , 5 of them are stronger/leaner/bigger than me, on other 15 i look like what in the world are you guys doing, totally undeveloped certain muscle groups, weak, too fat, 220 pounds but not looking like bodybuilders. but im sure few of those 15 would like to give advice on taking aas and whole approach around it!

How many boards have you posted this same write up?
this and one more, seems that other board have too few views or non talkative members.


anyways, enough of this, once again i am sorry for being arrogant. but still, if you're not swole i won't listen your advice on how to get swole :eek::eek:

okay lets get serious, more specific questions would be:

1. should i cycle testosterone enathate 500mg on and off, 3 months on, 2 off and then repeat the process for years or just stay on it and do bulks and cuts with it. or 3 months on, 2 months TRT dose, 3 months back on 500mg and so on.

2. should i be concerned about fertility? i want to be able to impregnate woman fast and normally. with what approach i should be concerned, not taking any time off and desentizing sperm cells completely? how long would that worst case scenario be on staying on, 2 years?

3. arimidex/aromatization. some say dont take anything, some say dont take anything until first problems with estrogen, some say take it from beggining 0.5mg every other day, 0.25mg every other day, 0.25mg every three days, 0.25mg twice a week with the shots. what should i do? i'd like to take 0.25mg only twice a week with the shots, but dont know if its too small dose or infrequent. arimidex works for about 50 hours in the system right?

4. can somebody tell from the blood work picture, is sensitive or normal assay used for testing estradiol.
 
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cant edit any more,

3. about arimidex dosages in regards to blood work, for how much % does certain arimidex dose lets say 0.25mg EOD lowers estradiol? if there is such percent number that can be said.
 
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Typically taken EOD. Any changes will be dependent upon your bloodwork.

And if you want to make babies using old fashioned sex instead of Dr. assisted, don't do too many cycles or go make deposits in a sperm bank.
 
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I am 213, and would probably be 200 at 10% fat, you are not big and neither am I
anyone can look good at 180 lbs cut.
The most knowledgeable people about AAS I know are either super skinny or athletic looking pro trainers.
looks dont matter you ****. Last time I checked you dont study with your biceps, ****ing douche.
 

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sorry that my post got you butthurt, post some pics i'll tell you do you look good for the aas user

now, enough of that drama lets get serious

one more question, i do not have a girlfriend/wife, trying not to look at porn and masturbate, also consider myself christian and would like to wait marriage for any intercourse with the woman, how much is getting on a testosterone make that harder? i talked to one guy and he said he gets crazy on a testosterone, said he makes love with his wife 3x and also masturbate 6x which is about 10x times daily which is insane
 
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sorry that my post got you butthurt, post some pics i'll tell you do you look good for the aas user

now, enough of that drama lets get serious

one more question, i do not have a girlfriend/wife, trying not to look at porn and masturbate, also consider myself christian and would like to wait marriage for any intercourse with the woman, how much is getting on a testosterone make that harder? i talked to one guy and he said he gets crazy on a testosterone, said he makes love with his wife 3x and also masturbate 6x which is about 10x times daily which is insane
since you are serious, yes it makes it really difficult, I masturbate around 5 times a day and only have sex once a week.
 

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sorry that my post got you butthurt, post some pics i'll tell you do you look good for the aas user

now, enough of that drama lets get serious

one more question, i do not have a girlfriend/wife, trying not to look at porn and masturbate, also consider myself christian and would like to wait marriage for any intercourse with the woman, how much is getting on a testosterone make that harder? i talked to one guy and he said he gets crazy on a testosterone, said he makes love with his wife 3x and also masturbate 6x which is about 10x times daily which is insane


Bro you’ve got a shitty attitude you show up here acting like you’re some kind of monster telling everyone you will let them know if they look good or not....nobody cares what you think...if you want help show some humility shut the fukk up and listen to the free information given to you...young ass fuks always got an attitude these days
 

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whats wrong with telling does someone look good or not :/ you dont necessary have shitty attitude or be monster to do so


i zoomed in your pic, you look like natural guy after 1 year of training, train harder eat better and sacrifice more, hope you are not on big dosages of toxic aas

on the other hand gibsonator above is looking swole, hope its not just because of the angle
 
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