Thoughts on what I should add to my first 350-400mg test cycle

[John Ziegler]

op

go 400mg test 40mg anavar

thats a really good cycle

personally did that last year with great results.

 

[Anabolic Tuna]

Post up what you eat in a day.

Doesnt have to be spot on, just an example.

Then we will critique it.

5 meals, around 2300 kcals, 180g protein, 100g fat and the rest carbs

I haven't been trying to lose/gain weight in the last year, I've just maintained because I liked staying lean but my goals have changed and want to get bigger that's why I made this thread.

 

[Anabolic Tuna]

op

go 400mg test 40mg anavar

thats a really good cycle

personally did that last year with great results.

I quoted your other post, is there a huge difference in results between anavar 40 and 100mg? As I've done 100 before and got good results with no negative sides however mine was from an ugl so maybe under dosed?

 

[gymrat827]

Add another 1000 cals a day no questions asked.

Really 1350

Bump up 750, then 1000, 1350

Your never going to gain weight at 2300.

 

[John Ziegler]

I quoted your other post, is there a huge difference in results between anavar 40 and 100mg? As I've done 100 before and got good results with no negative sides however mine was from an ugl so maybe under dosed?

40 is great imo

you didnt have any test going at 100mgs

so im thinkin that 40 to 50 mgs with the test

will yield even better results than the 100 did on its own

 

[Anabolic Tuna]

Add another 1000 cals a day no questions asked.

Really 1350

Bump up 750, then 1000, 1350

Your never going to gain weight at 2300.

That's my maintenance, I don't want to gain weight too quickly, I think gaining 2lbs a week is fine? I will bump it up to 2600 then add 200 everytime weight stalls?

I think if I'm a leanish 210lbs after 12 weeks then I will be happy

40 is great imo

you didnt have any test going at 100mgs

so im thinkin that 40 to 50 mgs with the test

will yield even better results than the 100 did on its own

I meant 40 vs 100, so test plus 40 vs test plus 100

I will start with 40, it would be easier on the liver too than 100

 

[BRICKS]

Bro, you're 6"4" 187 lbs. If you want to hit 210 you should be able to do that standing on your head without ANY AAS. Seriously, not trying to be a dick, but my wife bodybuilds and she's 5' 128 lbs and 2300 cals is about where she's at. Gymrat827 is right, as is everybody else who sais you need to eat. Eat, not nibble.

Doing the math from what you posted for cals, protein, and carbs, you're getting 600 cals from carbs, or 133 grams. Are you shitting me? That's one meal for me. Upping your cals to 2600 will be like taking a piss off the front of an aircraft carrier going 20 knots into a typhoon.

Eat, train hard, eat, sleep, eat and eat some more. At your age and size if it isn't nailed to floor it should be fair game.

 

[gymrat827]

Bro, you're 6"4" 187 lbs. If you want to hit 210 you should be able to do that standing on your head without ANY AAS. Seriously, not trying to be a dick, but my wife bodybuilds and she's 5' 128 lbs and 2300 cals is about where she's at. Gymrat827 is right, as is everybody else who sais you need to eat. Eat, not nibble.

This should show you what you really need.

Bricks wife has a solid build. But think of how much taller you are & what she currently eats. You need to be eating 3800 cals, even 4200 if you want to constantly growing.

You can run 1000mg of tes, without those cals jack shit will happen.

Like him, dont want to be a asshole......But we get this exact issue every other month. Double you cal intake and slowly taper up to it. Add 750 more cals each week.

Get up during the night to eat, add liquid egg whites and some carbs to your shakes, even heavy whipping cream.

Look as some guys logs who are big as fuk here, see what they are doing. 2300 cals for 65/75% of this place would be considered a diet.

Eat eat eat and report back in 20 days

 

[automatondan]

I could gain more weight/size naturally in the next couple of years but I want to get there a bit faster honestly and I do have plans in using my body to make money in the futureView attachment 6878

Plus I want to bulk from a leanish base

As for training, I do PPL x2 with Sunday off, I started as an almost anorexic 20 year old, like 155lbs

Do you understand how steroids work dude? They won't do much except give you sides and shut you down if you don't know how to eat. This is the 100% truth. Steroids are not magic. Food is. Period. If you take these drugs you won't get much gains and what little you gain will go away after, because you need to feed it to grow it, and you need to feed it to keep it. Period. I promise I am telling you the truth. 100% truth.

 

[automatondan]

That's my maintenance, I don't want to gain weight too quickly, I think gaining 2lbs a week is fine? I will bump it up to 2600 then add 200 everytime weight stalls?

I think if I'm a leanish 210lbs after 12 weeks then I will be happy



I meant 40 vs 100, so test plus 40 vs test plus 100

I will start with 40, it would be easier on the liver too than 100

Dude, I almost guarantee you could gain 2 lbs a week without AAS at your weight/height. Just saying.

 

[Gibsonator]

and just for reference, the majority of us taller guys sit between 240 and 280lbs, still lean. get to work

 

[John Ziegler]

the op has his heart set on a cycle

do without is inapplicable at this point

like telling guys that run out of steroids before the cycle is over

that they should have got it all before they started

No fukkin doy !

 

[RustyShackelford]

No doubt you can put on some weight by running a cycle. But like all the other advice you are getting, if you eat like a 185lb man you will be 185 lbs after the gains are gone from your cycle.
I learned this the hard way. Twice. Turns out I wasn’t as smart as I thought I was.
Faster isn’t always better.
Good luck bro.

 

[Anabolic Tuna]

Dude, I almost guarantee you could gain 2 lbs a week without AAS at your weight/height. Just saying.

I don't think I can build say 9-15lbs of muscle in 12 weeks, I thought it was 1-2 a month. I understand what you guys are saying but my body grows on low kcals, I will eat more and follow the scale, let's say you need 3000kcals but someone else at your height may need 3500.


Just a note, I mentioned i am currently eating 2300, if I start my cycle then I will bump up to 2600 and keep bumping it up, if at the end I need 3800 to maintain my new weight then that's what I will do.

 

[Anabolic Tuna]

I'm still open to not doing the cycle and just do it naturally but I'm more concerned about building muscle with the least amount of fat possible than just gain weight to see the scale go up with extra fat and water. I also know this is going to take years.

 

[gymrat827]

do not start the cycle til you are at 3800 cals ED. Your just wasting gear otherwise

 

[Anabolic Tuna]

Forget my 2nd to last post, I still want to do this cycle and I know I will get good results but I should be eating way more.

Eating natural and eating on a cycle are completely different I get you guys now, test increases everything (metabolism etc).

2600 is too low, I think I will start with 3300 so 1000 more than now for a few weeks and bump it up each time by 200 if the scale stops moving

Weeks 1-12 test 200mg Mon/Thurs (400 total)
Weeks 4-12 anavar
AI, start with .25 on pin days

Pct 2 weeks after last pin
Clomid and nolva for 4 weeks

When should I introduce hcg, from week 1 or before pct? Is it necessary for 400mg Test?

 

[deejeff442]

I am 5 foot 9 and 190 now just about to start my winter cycle... Lol I will eat at least 1500 calories for breakfast.
Seriously at your age if you train hard really dont need to worry about fat. So you want lean muscle but a food deficit meaning your muscles will always be starving defeating the pourpose of killing it in the gym.

 

[John Ziegler]

youve already done some steroids so waiting around for that perfect moment

(like all the juiced up gorilla monsters are suggesting)

ship has sailed.

the proposal in post 37 looks good

theres a lot to live up to on that cycle dont underestimate the potential

focus on getting that diet right for a few weeks first to get prepped

then go for it

 

[BRICKS]

Man please do some basic research, not into AAS, into diet. 3500 cals is the excess cals needed to gain a pound of weight. WEIGHT. -3500 cals to lose a pound. So, if you or I, or Zeigler or POB or Snake or take your pick out of the 7.53 billion people on the planet (as of 2017) have a surplus of 3500 cals we will gain a pound. Doesn't fkn matter who, doesn't matter on a cycle or not. It's human physiology and biochemistry.

I'm sensing that you want to put on this muscle and stay at a super lean BF and that's your issue. Brother, forget about it. If you are that afraid to put on a little bodyfat, stick to the treadmill and salad. It is far more difficult to gain muscle than lose fat.