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    Deca vs. NPP

    Jin and I were previously discussing long and short esters and how they play into a cycle. The scenario is for someone to run a cycle of testosterone for a length of 16 weeks with the option of starting with either NPP or Deca for the first 8 weeks.

    Jin felt the Deca took too long to hit and that NPP is a better choice. I felt it was basically a wash since the Deca was paying off on the back end. The internet is going to tell you that Deca needs to be 16 weeks or longer but can we rethink this? Let me say, neither Jin nor I think an 8 week Deca/test is good idea. Pay mind to the total cycle length of 16 weeks.

    So here’s my train of thought:

    Cycle starts Jan 1
    Both Nandrolone are last pinned on Feb 26

    NPP half life of 5 days should peak out in 25 days on Jan 25 and be gone 25 days after last pin. So the NPP is clear by March 23.

    Deca half life of 12 days should peak out in 60 days on Feb 26 and be gone in 60 days after the last pin. So the Deca is clear by April 27.

    Now if my assumptions are correct, you actually just miss the Deca’s peak by a few days. But the effective dose still is running for 8 weeks just on the back end.

    Am I off base here? If so, I’d like someone to be able to explain where I have gone wrong. Also, Jin, if I have misquoted you on something, clarify it and add in anything you think is important to the thread.

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    Deca has been shown to be floating around the system a year after injection. So no matter how long u run it, u will probably get a benefit long after u would expect.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyingdragon View Post
    Deca has been shown to be floating around the system a year after injection. So no matter how long u run it, u will probably get a benefit long after u would expect.....
    Benefit OR be affected by sides if that's the case with each person. I love deca, but I'm getting to the point where I don't want to deal with it for so long.
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    Looks good to me

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    Basically the question is:

    for a similar/equal amount of deca/npp people pinned over 8 weeks, will real world results be equal?

    based on my understanding of esters my belief is that you’d be better off results-wise (increased lean mass/decreased BF) running 8 weeks of npp.

    Snake maintains that the results would be equal due to the deca being in your system for so much longer.

    Part of the reason I think npp is better is that you’d be at peak levels with npp for more days than with deca.

    Hopefully I haven’t misrepresented anything as I’m only just up to pee.

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    I think that sums it up Jin. Let's see if anyone has any other input.
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    First, let me say I love deca, but I'm B & C/TRT. Personally, I would not recommend cycling deca at all if you're going to PCT off. NPP is a much better choice.

    I say this for all of the same reasons you've already stated. Deca builds up too slow to really get the full benefit, and it needs to be stopped way before test C or E to clear in time for PCT. NPP on the other hand can be run pretty much to the end of the cycle and still clear at about the same rate as test, so you'll definitely get more benefit from it. This is pretty much the same reason I would never recommend someone cycling sust.

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    Awesome debate, I'd like to hear some vets give there info on this one. I pin deca because i like to pin twice a week, sub to this snakey.
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    I am on deca and test sust now just started. Done npp a couple times and like it more then deca but this time around I,am doing a 20 weeks cycle. Never really noticed a difference. Imo it always came down to food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jada View Post
    Awesome debate, I'd like to hear some vets give there info on this one. I pin deca because i like to pin twice a week, sub to this snakey.
    NPP is pinned twice a week as well. I would sometimes pin Deca 1x per week given the ester length.
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    As Cecelia mentioned, PCT vs B&C is the primary factor to take into account when deciding which is best for you. NPP for PCT guys, deca for B&C.
    I say Deca for B&C because I agree that the results would be near equal overall but have a personal preference for longer acting anabolics vs shorter, higher peaking, forms. Because bodyrecomp is a long term process and blah, blah, blah.
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    Deca vs NPP for PCT guys doesn't make a huge difference IMO. It's the nandralone itself that shuts your nuts down hard. You just have to wait longer and stay on some test on the back-end while the deca clears. I think you should do this with NPP too. I actually had this discussion with Dr Scally on Meso years ago - it's the hormone not the ester when it comes to 19-nors shutting you down so hard. So PCT guys - don't think NPP is a "safe" alternative to deca. Both will shut you down just as hard, and have the same risks of making you a trt for life guy. Just deca will shut you down longer. You can recover from both if you time PCT right. I will agree that the shorter amount of time you are shut down, the better your chances of a successful recovery are, and that would lend itself more the NPP....I guess. I ran a bunch of deca cycles with successful PCT in my early days.

    I also think age plays a factor. It's much easier to recover from any cycle in your late 20s then it is your late 40s.

    As far as drug tests - you'll pop hot a year after NPP same as you would deca. It's nand itself that stays in your system forever.

    I've run both and prefer deca because I'm getting sick of pinning in my old age.
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