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I want to heard from you guys, what you guys think about Dr Scally PCT protocol. I know when I start reading about it I got confused cause is way diffrent what he stated base on his studies from what I read before. Lets be clear on a fact tha he work with guys who were on AAS cycle of test Cyp and Nandrolone decanoate for 12 weeks. His method is kind of diffrent from what I heard or read before I got this read thanks to Cobra Strike here in the forum.
First- they administration of PCT meds start the day after AAS cessation. We know for most part we wait for about 14-21 days for long esters to clear or when start feeling the crash to start PCT.
Second- The first 16 days a large amount of HCG was used in order to increase the mass of the testes so that they could sustain output of testosterone sooner. The HCG was stopped about the time the esters cleared so that estrogenic activity from the HCG would be reduced. I read before this is a waste of HCG but he stated this method is more effective( at least for test C & 19nor which is in this case)
Third-during those 16 days of HCG treatment 2 SERM`s drugs were also used, clomid and nolvadex. This is way the opposite of what everyones recommend on almost every PCT log I have read before. He stated tha contrary of what is typically recommend was succesfull on 19 men on this study. After HCG treatment was stoped the 2 SERM`s drugs will continued administrated for another few weeks.
Ok lets take a look how this PCT was used so we can discuss here what is the diffrence between what is recommed it on most of the PCT threads and what they used for this study.
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day
I will like to heard your opinions on this PCT and start a good discussion about it.
Ok we cover this part, AI is also look from Dr Scally as part of a PCT. He said there is some evidence that adding Nolva to an AI does not increase the effectiveness of estro control therefore Nolva has no real advantage alongside an AI unless one is experiencing gyno. In addition that Nolva has shown to reduce IGF-1 and GH levels. During a cycle is not to worried about too much cause test increase IGF-1 levels on a dose dependant relationship. But for PCT is a diffrent story cause that can be a not very pleasent feeling at this point. His AI of choice is Aromasin during cycle and PCT as well for the simply fact on his conclusion that Aromasin does its job on the enzymes and those particular enzymes will longer function. A type II AI will compete with the aromatase enzyme and then eventually unbind from it and it will be active again, this can cause the undesirable estro bound.
This is such of interesting read for me that I share this info with some close friends here in the forum( you all my friends BTW) There is so much to read about this guy and his base on stuides results from AAS user and their recovery that is amazing IMO. Please post your thoughs and lets discuss about this base on our readings, reaserch and experience.
Pikiki
First- they administration of PCT meds start the day after AAS cessation. We know for most part we wait for about 14-21 days for long esters to clear or when start feeling the crash to start PCT.
Second- The first 16 days a large amount of HCG was used in order to increase the mass of the testes so that they could sustain output of testosterone sooner. The HCG was stopped about the time the esters cleared so that estrogenic activity from the HCG would be reduced. I read before this is a waste of HCG but he stated this method is more effective( at least for test C & 19nor which is in this case)
Third-during those 16 days of HCG treatment 2 SERM`s drugs were also used, clomid and nolvadex. This is way the opposite of what everyones recommend on almost every PCT log I have read before. He stated tha contrary of what is typically recommend was succesfull on 19 men on this study. After HCG treatment was stoped the 2 SERM`s drugs will continued administrated for another few weeks.
Ok lets take a look how this PCT was used so we can discuss here what is the diffrence between what is recommed it on most of the PCT threads and what they used for this study.
Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day
I will like to heard your opinions on this PCT and start a good discussion about it.
Ok we cover this part, AI is also look from Dr Scally as part of a PCT. He said there is some evidence that adding Nolva to an AI does not increase the effectiveness of estro control therefore Nolva has no real advantage alongside an AI unless one is experiencing gyno. In addition that Nolva has shown to reduce IGF-1 and GH levels. During a cycle is not to worried about too much cause test increase IGF-1 levels on a dose dependant relationship. But for PCT is a diffrent story cause that can be a not very pleasent feeling at this point. His AI of choice is Aromasin during cycle and PCT as well for the simply fact on his conclusion that Aromasin does its job on the enzymes and those particular enzymes will longer function. A type II AI will compete with the aromatase enzyme and then eventually unbind from it and it will be active again, this can cause the undesirable estro bound.
This is such of interesting read for me that I share this info with some close friends here in the forum( you all my friends BTW) There is so much to read about this guy and his base on stuides results from AAS user and their recovery that is amazing IMO. Please post your thoughs and lets discuss about this base on our readings, reaserch and experience.
Pikiki
