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    Starting TRT on Sustanon 250 - need advice

    Hi everyone, I live in a small country where there is no TRT clinics or any doctors with the necessary background so Iím on my own.
    Iím 55yo and last year my libido dropped from Austin Powers levels to zero. No more morning woods, tried cialis and viagra with poor results.
    I started to lose weight and put myself every day in a gym lifting weight, which is a true life changing but no improvements with my libido.
    My first blood test came with total T at 340 and E2 around 40. I did a PCT with Clomid and Nova for 2 weeks to see if this could help and T went up to 420.
    After that I tried to boost my free T (I canít find a laboratory who can measure them here) with Proviron and I did get a few boners so I guess it improved a bit, but itís not a long time solution and not back to ďnormalĒ either.
    Pharmacies here only sells Sustanon 250 1ml Vial so I decided to give it a shot.
    Because of the 4 different esters itís hard to know the frequency and quantity to pin pet week, Iíve read everything from 50mg every 3.5 days to 250mg every 5 days.
    I thought I could front-load 250mg for my first SubQ pin 2 days ago, then move to 125mg every 3.5days.
    I will do some blood work after 2 weeks to control, i have Arimidex on hand just in case.
    Besides that, I donít have any health issues, lost 40 pounds so no more pre diabetic condition and all my levels are good, cholesterol, thyroid, everything.

    Is Sustanon my best option or better to move to Cypionate?

    How long does it take for my T levels to stabilize?

    I understand everybody is different, but what would be an optimal protocol?

    Thanks for your thoughts!



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    Sorry to hear about your struggles, man.

    As far a Sustanon goes, I'm really not a fan. In theory, having esters of varied length sounds great, but in practice it almost always leads to unwanted fluctuations. Plenty of dudes absolutely LOVE Sust, but I'd personally recommend starting with Cypionate.

    Best of luck!

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    Hi, Iím on TRT as well. If you worry about having stable blood levels, MWF or eod pinning is the best. You have to judge how much you are willing to pin with how much you ďfeelĒ your body fluctuates hormonally. No matter what compound you use, pinning more will help your body stay level.
    I pin 100mg TestCyp 2 times per week if I am on just TRT. But I pin MWF when Iím on cycle. Hope this helps.
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    I started out TRT in the USA with a doctor who puts EVERYONE at Sustanon 250 mg per week to see how the body responds. He then adjusted from there.

    In my case, I was around 235 pounds at the time, and I read between 1100 and 1400 total testosterone @ 250 mg of Sustanon per week. I prefer the cypionate ester because I feel more stable on it whereas sustanon seemed to give me more energy the first two or three days post injection then everything was slowly down hill until my injection the next week.

    I'd even go on to suggest that if you are limited to sustanon, inject 3x per week due to the nature of the faster burning esters in the compound. With cypionate, 2x per week is fine for me. Then again, we all respond differently, so you may have to see what works best for you.

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    1 injection of the test cyp per week is the best (in my experience). once fully saturated there are no feelings of any peaks or troughs just all smooth sailing (in my experience).

    easy to keep track of a once a week injection (its monday or whatever day of the week you picked originally time to inject)

    52 injections per year is another plus with the cyp over the shorter esters.

    although a once every 10 weeks an injection of the test u sounds super convenient

    & including the start ups wound be still around less than 8 injections a year

    if you needed to get it to chill out for whatever reason it wont happen anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notsoswoleCPA View Post
    I started out TRT in the USA with a doctor who puts EVERYONE at Sustanon 250 mg per week to see how the body responds. He then adjusted from there.

    In my case, I was around 235 pounds at the time, and I read between 1100 and 1400 total testosterone @ 250 mg of Sustanon per week. I prefer the cypionate ester because I feel more stable on it whereas sustanon seemed to give me more energy the first two or three days post injection then everything was slowly down hill until my injection the next week.

    I'd even go on to suggest that if you are limited to sustanon, inject 3x per week due to the nature of the faster burning esters in the compound. With cypionate, 2x per week is fine for me. Then again, we all respond differently, so you may have to see what works best for you.
    If you were over 1000 in the trough I’d be amazed if you actually could feel a difference between that and the peak. The “hormone roller coaster” isn’t applicable unless you are dipping under normal levels IMO

    Sustanon was invented as a HRT compound to be administered LESS OFTEN (every 2 weeks IIRC). On cycle or for TRT purposes Sus NEVER has to be eod/MWF pinned

    Look at the composition of the esters. Only a small percentage is prop.

    FWIW I pin cyp esters 1x/wk for trt and cycles. I’ve tried it both ways with absolutely zero difference.
    Last edited by Jin; 06-23-2019 at 05:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin View Post
    If you were over 1000 in the trough I’d be amazed if you actually could feel a difference between that and the peak. The “hormone roller coaster” isn’t applicable unless you are dipping under normal levels IMO

    Sustanon was invented as a HRT compound to be administered LESS OFTEN (every 2 weeks IIRC). On cycle or for TRT purposes Sus NEVER has to be eod/MWF pinned

    Look at the composition of the esters. Only a small percentage is prop.

    FWIW I pin cyp esters 1x/wk for trt and cycles. I’ve tried it both ways with absolutely zero difference.
    It also could have been the adjustment period for sustanon too. IDK how to explain it, but my injection was every Thursday, and my weekends always went much better than Monday through Wednesday of the following week. Come to think of it, my shitty feeling probably came from taking 1 mg of Anastrozole every Monday. Funny how you figure this stuff out after the fact... I'd be willing to bet the Anastrozole crashed my estradiol and my injection later during the week helped it to rise post injection. My lowest non-sensitive estradiol reading during the Sustanon phase was 16.

    I can tell you that when he switched me to a mixture of prop and enanthate every other week, I really hated that! That literally was a hero to zero thing where my trough was 400 two days prior to my injection. I remember Thankgiving week 2017 all too well where I had a 6.8 estradiol, sensitive, and a 400 total testosterone the Tuesday before my scheduled Wednesday injection because the office was closed for Thursday and Friday.

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    Thank you all for sharing your experience and thoughts. I'm sticking to Sustanon mainly by lack of choice, there's only 1ml vials available here, $10 vial pharmacy grade. After a couple of months I may have to order a different ester like cypionate or else, if I don't get great results with Sustanon. How long before "feeling" an improvement in energy and mood? I'm taking now 125mg every 3 and half days, it's barely noticeable so far, but it's also my second week, and my understanding is that test will start to really kick in after 4 or 6 weeks?

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    2-3 weeks for libido/mood/quality of life improvements. 6 weeks you’re near full effect for muscle growth/recovery.

    that was my experience first going from hypogonadal to trt using sust.

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    no need to complicate as ppl said......1 pin a wk, tes e or c

    Done

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    Everyone wanted sustanon back in the day. Sust and omnadren. Now everyone is against sust...dont get it. Sust is awesome if you know what you're doing.
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