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    non responder to AAS

    so i have always been a pretty small guy and struggled to put on weight. i started at 6' 145 lbs before lifting and got to 180 after a few years of lifting and eating like a pig from this point i jumped on my first test cycle and ended up putting on 10 lbs in 12 weeks and was happy to be making progress since then i have ran a couple test cycles with very disappointing results so i decided to hire a coach who to put together a workout program, diet, and AAS cycle. he had me start out with test and deca which i still didn't see any results so we added some drol which i worked up to 100 mg/day and 5K calories to see some weight gain finally threw in some tren and besides some anger absolutely nothing which was a big shock for me. the gear was from a known good source and i have had blood work on previous cycles to check.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zxrs5681 View Post
    so i have always been a pretty small guy and struggled to put on weight. i started at 6' 145 lbs before lifting and got to 180 after a few years of lifting and eating like a pig from this point i jumped on my first test cycle and ended up putting on 10 lbs in 12 weeks and was happy to be making progress since then i have ran a couple test cycles with very disappointing results so i decided to hire a coach who to put together a workout program, diet, and AAS cycle. he had me start out with test and deca which i still didn't see any results so we added some drol which i worked up to 100 mg/day and 5K calories to see some weight gain finally threw in some tren and besides some anger absolutely nothing. the gear was from a known good source and i have had blood work on previous cycles to check.

    That’s odd, dumb question but are you sure your putting out in the gym? You know really pushing your limits using heavy weight pushing reps out, hitting failure, drop sets, rest pauses, forced reps? Focusing on progressive overload making sure to add weight to your lifts? Not meaning to insult you and saying you don’t just throwing it out there. Any health issues? Maybe check thyroid
    in sure some more knowledgeable members can chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texan69 View Post
    That’s odd, dumb question but are you sure your putting out in the gym? You know really pushing your limits using heavy weight pushing reps out, hitting failure, drop sets, rest pauses, forced reps? Focusing on progressive overload making sure to add weight to your lifts? Not meaning to insult you and saying you don’t just throwing it out there. Any health issues? Maybe check thyroid
    in sure some more knowledgeable members can chime in.
    tbh their have been times over the last year that i have lost motivation and slack off a bit after not making much progress but i made sure to go into this cycle putting everything in lifts did go up but nothing impressive but i was still happy then 2 weeks into 350 mg/wk tren ace i felt no different lifts were the same, no physique change, and no sides other than a bit of anger this is when my coach said im just nit responding which he said hes seen before and has a different approach which should help.

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    Good bloodwork on a previous cycle means jack shit.

    There seems to be a growing sub group who are immune to the effects of steroids and calories.

    Even if you were not on gear you’d grow off 5K calories. I’ve been 300lbs and can grow on that amount at that weight.

    You are still beholden to the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

    Are you sure you’re eating as much as you think you are?

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    The term 'non-responder' is a bit of a misnomer.

    If you've got androgen receptors, then you WILL respond to AAS.

    That being said, the human race is host to nearly infinite variation in metabolism, microbiome, musculoskeletal structure, hormonal milieu, etc, etc... As such, different people will necessarily respond in different ways to different exogenous hormones.

    However, if you're truly seeing NO or MINIMAL results, then there are four likely culprits:

    1.) Bad gear
    2.) Bad diet
    3.) Bad training protocol
    4.) Some as yet undiagnosed health condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin View Post
    Good bloodwork on a previous cycle means jack shit.

    There seems to be a growing sub group who are immune to the effects of steroids and calories.

    Even if you were not on gear you’d grow off 5K calories. I’ve been 300lbs and can grow on that amount at that weight.

    You are still beholden to the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

    Are you sure you’re eating as much as you think you are?
    my metabolism is ungodly high below 4K i loose weight at 5K i was gaining nicely but like you said even without gear i would gain. i started this cycle with the same gear i previously had n blood work with and no results

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    Quote Originally Posted by TODAY View Post
    The term 'non-responder' is a bit of a misnomer.

    If you've got androgen receptors, then you WILL respond to AAS.

    That being said, the human race is host to nearly infinite variation in metabolism, microbiome, musculoskeletal structure, hormonal milieu, etc, etc... As such, different people will necessarily respond in different ways to different exogenous hormones.

    However, if you're truly seeing NO or MINIMAL results, then there are four likely culprits:

    1.) Bad gear
    2.) Bad diet
    3.) Bad training protocol
    4.) Some as yet undiagnosed health condition.
    1 bad gear is allways a possibility but i have used multiple different sources, and have had blood work done to check my levels.

    2,3 even if i would lay in bed all day and eat chips (not really but you get the point) with the amount of stuff ive been on i should see some change.
    4 another possibility but before starting AAS i had ny DR. do blood work to see if their was any reason i struggled to gain weigh and everything was fine.

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    Shiit bro come over I’ll show you how to eat .....people I know are like who the f wakes up three times a night to eat? I’m like me lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chillinlow View Post
    Shiit bro come over Iíll show you how to eat .....people I know are like who the f wakes up three times a night to eat? Iím like me lmao
    I thought I was the only one who got up in the middle of the night to eat. But honestly I have no problem eating to gain weight and I have made some pretty good progress over the years it's just AAS really dosent seems to help me any. I'm just trying to see if theirs any not so obvious reasons as to why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zxrs5681 View Post
    my metabolism is ungodly high below 4K i loose weight at 5K i was gaining nicely but like you said even without gear i would gain. i started this cycle with the same gear i previously had n blood work with and no results
    thats insane but I’d bet you are not counting calories exact and may be over counting/estimating ,that’s a lot of calories to not gain much on. I have a very good metabolism too and I maintain at 3k gain lot at 4K including some fat.
    Like Jin was saying, he’s 300 pounds And from what I’ve seen it’s a lot of muscle yet he still gained on 5k, at his weight and muscle make up his tdee is probably higher than most. So id sit down and re evaluate your diet and ensure you are eating as much as you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zxrs5681 View Post
    my metabolism is ungodly high below 4K i loose weight at 5K i was gaining nicely but like you said even without gear i would gain. i started this cycle with the same gear i previously had n blood work with and no results
    Either you aren’t eating as much as you think you are or #4 from TODAY’s list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin View Post
    Either you arenít eating as much as you think you are or #4 from TODAYís list.
    I'm going to switch out the gear to make sure. Bug do you agree on tren I should see some physical change whether it be muscle gain, fat loss, or more vascularity even if my workout was shit and I wasnt eating enough.

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