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    Esters: same hormone, different effects?

    Time for you to weigh in.

    You say Deca gives you bloat but NPP gives you a drier look.

    Tren E doesn’t give you side effects to but tren A is a nightmare.

    Are these effects/differences real or perceived?

    Is testosterone always “testosterone” or do different esters have different advantages beyond the half life?

    I’ll accept bro science and actual science. Please state from which you speak.

    FWIW my view is that there should
    be no difference except half-life.

    *Sometimes the weight of the ester may factor in and you are actually getting more bang than you expect with shorter esters.
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    I have tended to use slow esters more than fast, so this is no-science, just imo.

    What is perceived can be due to the old peaks and troughs concept. Based on reading many posts over the yrs I'm guessing most people inject Tren Ace eod or even 3 x week, rather than the ideal ed shots. Those who use Tren E might get a better experience with 2 x week, or better still, e3d.

    If (IF) there's any truth to that, the concept seems to be reversed by the guys who brag on Bold Cyp over Eq, or NPP over Deca, but the comparison may be sloppy in that: with Tren we're comparing Enthanate vs. Acetate, but with the other two it's Cyp vs. 2 really slow esters.

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    Maybe with tren e the sides come on gradually so less noticed as your body get used to them. Then with tren a they come quick because hits in a short space of time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trump View Post
    Maybe with tren e the sides come on gradually so less noticed as your body get used to them. Then with tren a they come quick because hits in a short space of time
    Hmmmmm.....

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    I’m glad you asked. The fact everyone treats nandrolone so different then testosterone with the topic has always confused me.

    i think rawdeal might be on to something. The shorter Easter’s seem to let my body clear things faster and avoid a lot of side effects.

    Spikes of Test prop has been a lot nicer then high dose test cup. NPP has been fantastic but I don’t have DECA experience to compare to.
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    Overall I think the hormone is the hormone so the ester doesn't really matter. However, I think I our bodies do react to rapid changes in hormone levels, so short esters might feel like they have more side effects than longer esters, but in my experience, any ester, with proper pinning intervals, feels the same once I reach steady state.


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    I will say that (as many of you know) I am a heavy aromatizer (or so I thought). Whenever I blast, I have always used longer esters. Anything over 300 test cyp and it can quickly become a nightmare of controlling e2 and bloat. Fast forward to now: I pin 300 test cyp weekly, and then 50-75 mg of TNE daily. Things I have noticed: no need to increase my Ai like I would if I were pinning the same total with cyp alone. Also, I have been on a month and I feel like I'm 8 weeks into my normal blast. It hits fast. I absolutely love it and IMO, it is 100% worth pinning daily. I will never go back to the old way.
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    I'm of the belief that the ester should make no difference beyond the half life of the compound (but agree that short esters have a little more compound per dose due to the ester weight)

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    have heard said countless times & pretty sure even the op has said it

    there is no difference to be noted between test e & c.

    test e is garbage from multiple brands in my experience.

    always a pip never feels like a steady flow when injecting once every 5 days

    give me prop or cyp fuk enth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ziegler View Post
    have heard said countless times & pretty sure even the op has said it

    there is no difference to be noted between test e & c.

    test e is garbage from multiple brands in my experience.

    always a pip never feels like a steady flow when injecting once every 5 days

    give me prop or cyp fuk enth.
    Something about the way that China manufactures Test E sometimes leads to an excess of carboxylic acid, which leads to pretty heinous pip.

    Enanthate is innocent. Blame China.

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    Thinking about it logically, there may be some differences in how you feel during at either end of the cycle based on differences stability of blood level. Also a quicker ester may change how your body reacts at the start of a cycle. Beyond that, it just doesn't seem like there's any scientific reason esters should make any difference once you are well in to a cycle...they all break down to no ester form, which is what has the effect on our bodies. As long as you're controlling for ester weight and injecting at appropriate intervals to maintain stability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythos View Post
    Thinking about it logically, there may be some differences in how you feel during at either end of the cycle based on differences stability of blood level. Also a quicker ester may change how your body reacts at the start of a cycle. Beyond that, it just doesn't seem like there's any scientific reason esters should make any difference once you are well in to a cycle...they all break down to no ester form, which is what has the effect on our bodies. As long as you're controlling for ester weight and injecting at appropriate intervals to maintain stability.
    I agree with your logic.... now I’m just wondering if any of us really do it that well in practice. Are all the differences we think were seeing just due to the peaks and valleys or different onset/clearance times...
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