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    Issues with protien and natural bodybuilding

    I seemed to have stumbled ass backwards onto the possible cause of my issue.

    I noticed a few weeks ago an amonia smell in my sweat as I worked out. I didn't think too much of it. As time passed it got worse. Almost overpowering. To the point I would say I was "sweating pure ammonia". The kidneys can't deal with the amount of waste and you sweat it out.

    I went to my doctor with my concerns. After a blood and urine test my doctor informed me I have lowered kidney function. I was told to lower my protien and stop taking creatine. Odd because my creatine levels were normal, I did what the doctor asked. I was told I will have another test a month from my first.

    Slowly my sweat seems to have stopped or only faintly of amonia. I am not taking creatine, powdered protein or large amounts of protein. I cut out BCAAs.

    Today I may have stumbled upon the answer to my dilemma.

    "Gluconeogenesis (GNG) is a metabolic pathway that results in the generation of glucose from certain non-carbohydrate carbon substrates"

    In my admittedly basic understanding a "natural"
    Is limited to the protein they can actually use. Not only that but a person who is not on performance assistance does not even benefit from a steady stream of protien. It seems that having protein at some feedings and none at others actually optimizes things for a natty.

    That brings me to my issue. Eating large amounts of protein in a steady stream may have triggered my body to go into gluconeogenesis. Basically as CJ and I were guessing my body may have been using protein for energy.

    When glu..... happens weight loss and muscle building can slow down. Part of that function happens in the kidneys. A possible explanation for my lowered function.

    I am by no means an expert by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to diet. If these things I have read are true this is extremely interesting to me. My experience seems to mirror the claims.

    This may be interesting for the natty guys or even people off cycle.

    I am particularly interested eating my protien in chunks at some meals throughout the day and none or little at others to take advantage. Perhaps eating my protien this way I can raise my protien closer to the 1 to 1 ratio and actually be able to use it without triggering the ammonia sweats again.

    After a positive follow up blood test of course.
    Last edited by Long; 08-13-2019 at 05:47 PM.
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    Sounds logical to me... also sounds like you’re ready for that first cycle!

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    i think this is one for Zilla. .

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    No Dr. here and would defer to Zilla on this one. That said, here's my opinion; excess protein would be converted to fat if your glycogen levels were normal and Gluconeogenesis would only take place in the absence of available carbs and fats.
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    The ammonia smell comes from 2 possible pathways:
    - the degradation of ATP (>ADP>AMP + ammonia), which happens during high intensity sessions. This is a sign of muscle glycogen depletion.
    - the metabolism of protein, which happens during low intensity sessions. This is a sign of general glycogen depletion and is fairly common on keto diets.

    "Is this an issue outside of smelling bad?" No. "Well OK but what can I do to stop smelling bad?" Get some deodorant and bump up the carbs.
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