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    Senior Moderator NbleSavage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tren4Life View Post
    Awww man. My first cycle was dbol only.
    I miss the 80s too, man...
    "So make ya move and plead the Fifth cuz' ya can't plead the First..."
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    So remove Dbol. What other changes? Keep in mind this will likely be the sticky we refer to most often, as it addresses the most common question posed here.
    "So make ya move and plead the Fifth cuz' ya can't plead the First..."
    Rage Against the Machine -'Down Rodeo'

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    Clomid 50/50/25/25
    Never play gay chicken with a Frenchman. You will end up with a sore asshole.

    ~Spongy is a gentle lover~

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    Maybe at least a mention of bloodwork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    lol anyone of us can revise it. Zilla had volunteered so I was holding him to it. lol. actually you have to be a mod to revise someone else's thread.
    im a mod, ill PM one of you older bucks for IT advice tho

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    The way things are going, don't expect me to produce a new version of that anytime soon. Being honest, I barely get time to check in as it is these days so the chances of me being able to sit down and produce any sort of quality thread is close to zero.

    In notes form, it basically boils down to this:
    - Test only. E/C is fine but I'd prefer Prop for a 1st timer. I was going to experiment with this in an upcoming cycle to see how annoying the EOD pinning would be but, again, life gets in the way.
    - Doses varying from 300-600mg depending on how cautious you want to be.
    - Cycle length from 12-16 weeks based, again, on how cautious you want to play this.
    - hCG 250iu 2x week from the start ran alongside Test until a few days before PCT (it's out of the system within days). I see this as a must, rather than optional, for those who want to maximize their chances of recovery post-cycle.
    - AI can be taken as needed (0.25-0.5mg Adex 2x week,/6.25mg ED of Aromasin/adjust as dictated by bloodwork) but if you want to be cautious: start it automatically 2 weeks into a E/C cycle and once you're 2 shots into a Prop cycle. Something like that. My memory is iffy on these details.
    - Bloodwork pre/mid/post cycle. CBC, metabolic panel, TT, E2 (sensitive preferably), Prolactin, TSH - the usual stuff that is highlighted in another sticky by Doc.
    - PCT, off the top of my head, would be 75/50/50/50 for Clomid & 40/20/20/20 for Nolva. Both taken together of course. PCT would begin 2 weeks post Test E/C cycles and, like, 3 days after a Prop cycle.

    I might be missing something but that ^^^ is the basic gist of what I would suggest. Totally understand people not wanting to wait for me type it all up properly so more than willing to settle for simply editing the current thread/someone else taking over the reigns
    Proud misanthropist.

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    I like the idea of prop too for a first cycle. Gets in and out quick.
    Size is the prize and swole is the goal

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    Im not for prop as a first cycle ..Its just to many pins for a inexperienced user..Imo short esters are more advanced

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    I would just give the first time user the option of using cyp,prop,E or orals If they want ..They are adults

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bro Bundy View Post
    I would just give the first time user the option of using cyp,prop,E or orals If they want ..They are adults
    Rarely is the first time user an adult....
    Size is the prize and swole is the goal

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