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    Originally Posted by NbleSavage View Post
    In the 35 years I've lived in the US I've legitimately never once been confronted by anyone in a position of authority who presented themselves to me and attempted to take away my weapons. I don't know anyone first hand who has had this experience either.
    Eh, me, kinda.

    My home state has some really weird convoluted gun laws.
    There was an 'assault rifle ban' that was put into place back in 1994 that covered things like fully-automatic AR-15's and AK's. There was a legal loophole which allowed for the sale of the same properly equipped rifles in semi-automatic configurations after that date. A couple of years ago, the Democratic AG worked with the full support of the Republican governor to reinterpret existing law in order to retroactively make possession of once legal rifles, illegal. This was done behind closed doors without a vote btw.

    The AG has gone on record stating that the only thing preventing the 10,000+ once-legal gun owners from being charged with crimes is her word that she won't pursue them but she did make it clear that they are in violation of the law by owning the same rifles they legally owned for all these years. The state has been holding gun buy-back programs at an increased rate because people are scared of the AG suddenly changing her mind and going after them. The state requires all firearms to be registered to an individual so they know exactly who owns what and where to find them.

    This is how you take guns without taking guns.

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    Originally Posted by NbleSavage View Post
    I see a lot of vitriol towards current and former Democratic politicians here. I also took your comment comparing Obama's formal education on law (undergraduate from Columbia, Harvard law degree) to Trump's "upholding the constitution" (not sure what that means?) as a positive differentiator for Trump in your eyes. I just don't see it that way. If we take names and parties out of the debate: how could a Harvard law degree and a career in politics not better prepare someone for the highest political office in the country than an undergraduate in economics?

    I sincerely want to understand why voting for Trump is in the best interest of the US in November. Say more for example about how the US has "crept so far left that we're at a point of no return" and why a Democratic president would bring about a 2nd revolutionary war (that sounds a bit extreme to me). Some examples would be really helpful - what specifically we need be concerned with regarding the current state of the country relative to the Left and how Trump specifically is addressing / intending to address those concerns.

    I want to be open minded, and I'm willing to be convinced. I'd like to hear more about specific issues and approaches. I want to vote FOR a candidate, not against one.

    I just want to touch on a few points here.

    how could a Harvard law degree and a career in politics not better prepare someone for the highest political office in the country than an undergraduate in economics?
    The POTUS(Exceutive) does not need a law degree. His job from a a legal perspective is to enforce them. What better experience than a man who is unphased by criticism because of years of experience in making huge decisions that ultimately affected millions? In terms of being IMO an expert in Economics and creating jobs who is better qualified, surly not a politician with a law degree or a political science major? How can this not be a top 3 biggest concern for a citizen of this country considering our current state? We can't lead if we are broke. Broke people look weak.

    The job of Congress and the House(Legislative) is to make laws on behalf of the people. From there, the Supreme Court (Judicial) interprets the law.

    It is a flawless system when all 3 branches of government work together for the best interest of the people.



    I sincerely want to understand why voting for Trump is in the best interest of the US in November
    Why in the world would we not want a person with a proven financial record(he is a self made billionaire) in that seat, at least for a while(thats why we have term limits) to fix this major fuk up by former administrations? He isn't finished yet, He needs a bit more time IMO

    The former administration sent millions(literally) of jobs overseas, borrowed trillions(literally) of dollars from the same country that they sent jobs to. This is not to mention that those came countries(China in particular) received nearly a trillion is US aid during that administration. They signed a NAFTA agreement that cost US citizens hundreds of billions(it is nearly impossible to fully calculate) of revenue, profit and jobs.

    The Democrats want to put the same fools back in that were in favor of the economic nightmares that the former administration created. We simply can't afford that. What bothers me the most is that they didn't try to get a better candidate to fix some of their fuk ups.

    Bash me if you will(I know you won't brother) but Andrew Yang sparked my interest as well as did Tulsi Gabbard. They had some fresh ideas that I somewhat agreed with. The Democrats only pushed for the elites that pushed their agenda instead of admitting faults at any level and endorsed either of those potential candidates.

    The problem I see is that political parties have stepped in like the mafia and are paying candidates to push their agenda instead of the peoples. Republicans as well as democrats are what is destroying this country. "For the people" is just an echo in the wind as long as they run politics in America.

    The Republicans didn't support Trump either if you remember. That is just another reason that I voted for the man. Because he can't be bought.

    I HATE politicians and "political correctness"

    I want to also add that I to am an immigrant from Yugoslavia(Croatia now). I watched my countryman get slaughtered by Serbian government because they were defenseless and unarmed. I refuse to have that happen to me here because of politics.

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    Originally Posted by Iron1 View Post
    Eh, me, kinda.

    My home state has some really weird convoluted gun laws.
    There was an 'assault rifle ban' that was put into place back in 1994 that covered things like fully-automatic AR-15's and AK's. There was a legal loophole which allowed for the sale of the same properly equipped rifles in semi-automatic configurations after that date. A couple of years ago, the Democratic AG worked with the full support of the Republican governor to reinterpret existing law in order to retroactively make possession of once legal rifles, illegal. This was done behind closed doors without a vote btw.

    The AG has gone on record stating that the only thing preventing the 10,000+ once-legal gun owners from being charged with crimes is her word that she won't pursue them but she did make it clear that they are in violation of the law by owning the same rifles they legally owned for all these years. The state has been holding gun buy-back programs at an increased rate because people are scared of the AG suddenly changing her mind and going after them. The state requires all firearms to be registered to an individual so they know exactly who owns what and where to find them.

    This is how you take guns without taking guns.

    Fear is an authoritarian tool. A fearful populace is a compliant populace.
    Great real-world example! So how do we combat this, those of us who are in favor of the 2nd amendment and could see the lunacy in retroactively declaring an item "illegal" (forget whether or not such a law would even be constitutional in this case) & then leaving those who would now be in violation of the law hanging in the wind? What will Trump do / is doing to prevent such a situation?

    Keeping in mind, there are other issues (for me at least) that will determine my vote, but I'm legitimately interested in how voting for Trump would be advantageous for those who support gun rights (or at least not retroactively criminalizing those who do).
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    Originally Posted by BigSwolePump View Post
    I just want to touch on a few points here.



    The POTUS(Exceutive) does not need a law degree. His job from a a legal perspective is to enforce them. What better experience than a man who is unphased by criticism because of years of experience in making huge decisions that ultimately affected millions? In terms of being IMO an expert in Economics and creating jobs who is better qualified, surly not a politician with a law degree or a political science major? How can this not be a top 3 biggest concern for a citizen of this country considering our current state? We can't lead if we are broke. Broke people look weak.

    The job of Congress and the House(Legislative) is to make laws on behalf of the people. From there, the Supreme Court (Judicial) interprets the law.

    It is a flawless system when all 3 branches of government work together for the best interest of the people.





    Why in the world would we not want a person with a proven financial record(he is a self made billionaire) in that seat, at least for a while(thats why we have term limits) to fix this major fuk up by former administrations? He isn't finished yet, He needs a bit more time IMO

    The former administration sent millions(literally) of jobs overseas, borrowed trillions(literally) of dollars from the same country that they sent jobs to. This is not to mention that those came countries(China in particular) received nearly a trillion is US aid during that administration. They signed a NAFTA agreement that cost US citizens hundreds of billions(it is nearly impossible to fully calculate) of revenue, profit and jobs.

    The Democrats want to put the same fools back in that were in favor of the economic nightmares that the former administration created. We simply can't afford that. What bothers me the most is that they didn't try to get a better candidate to fix some of their fuk ups.

    Bash me if you will(I know you won't brother) but Andrew Yang sparked my interest as well as did Tulsi Gabbard. They had some fresh ideas that I somewhat agreed with. The Democrats only pushed for the elites that pushed their agenda instead of admitting faults at any level and endorsed either of those potential candidates.

    The problem I see is that political parties have stepped in like the mafia and are paying candidates to push their agenda instead of the peoples. Republicans as well as democrats are what is destroying this country. "For the people" is just an echo in the wind as long as they run politics in America.

    The Republicans didn't support Trump either if you remember. That is just another reason that I voted for the man. Because he can't be bought.

    I HATE politicians and "political correctness"

    I want to also add that I to am an immigrant from Yugoslavia(Croatia now). I watched my countryman get slaughtered by Serbian government because they were defenseless and unarmed. I refuse to have that happen to me here because of politics.

    Fuk Socialism
    Great stuff, BSP. Appreciate the perspective. I hear ye on business experience being relevant - again though I'm not 100% sold that Trump is a successful businessman rather than having been born into a well-heeled family and having an entrepreneurial spirit. The infamous "small loan of one million dollars" comes to mind here, along with the other failed Trump ventures that I mentioned to Berserker. If we pushed this thinking, why not elect Mark Cuban or Bill Gates? Hell, we could go down the list of the Forbes 50 and find other more successful business people than Trump. Again, not bashing him just not fully convinced that his distinct advantage over any other candidate would be "consistently successful at running large businesses". Fook, Bloomberg was easily the most successful business person running for either party and he lost miserably. If he had won, would ye vote fer him in November?

    100% agree the two-party system is whats wrong here. Many states still don't even use primacy / ranking during their primaries. More viable candidates would (IMO) give us a greater chance of finding someone whom we truly relate to and share perspectives with, rather than choosing between the lesser of two evils - and I mean that for each of the two party candidates. I don't know many who are excited about Joe Biden, and I meet more & more Trump supporters who openly admit to compartmentalizing their thoughts on Trump as a person vs Trump as POTUS.

    I'd like to believe that in my lifetime I'll know a president who embodies honorable ideals and can unite & lead a country.
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    trump is not a self made man. he made 250k when he was 2. He was on his fathers payroll ever since he was born. If he did not get the wealth passed down to him, pretty much tax free, he would be no one.

    a self made billionaire would have proud to show off tax returns, showing how he went from a penny's to a penthouse.

    If you want to get rich in real estate, ask him. If you want to learn to sidestep paying contractors for work...Ask him.

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    Gym/Nbl you're making this too complicated. We had 2 choices. We picked who we thought would suck the least.

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    Originally Posted by NbleSavage View Post
    Great real-world example! So how do we combat this, those of us who are in favor of the 2nd amendment and could see the lunacy in retroactively declaring an item "illegal" (forget whether or not such a law would even be constitutional in this case) & then leaving those who would now be in violation of the law hanging in the wind? What will Trump do / is doing to prevent such a situation?

    Keeping in mind, there are other issues (for me at least) that will determine my vote, but I'm legitimately interested in how voting for Trump would be advantageous for those who support gun rights (or at least not retroactively criminalizing those who do).
    The constitutionality of their reinterpretation was challenged and upheld. The verbiage of 2A does nothing to define what types of firearms are protected. The federal judge ruled that so long as there is some form of firearm available to the licensed public, the restrictions are constitutional. Subsequent attempts to challenge the ruling at any level have been thrown out by the courts.

    A president cannot do anything in this situation unless they're willing to challenge state rights or extort them in the form of withholding federal funding but even then results aren't guaranteed.

    For matters of 2A, local elections matter far more than federal level ones. The only thing that matters on the federal level is the judges that fill supreme court seats. So if you want a real answer, vote for a candidate based on their preference for judges.
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    Originally Posted by DF View Post
    Gym/Nbl you're making this too complicated. We had 2 choices. We picked who we thought would suck the least.
    we will have the same come Nov

    Trump

    Biden/Sanders


    Both bad choices

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    Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    we will have the same come Nov

    Trump

    Biden/Sanders


    Both bad choices
    OMG

    In all reality Trump is the only one that is doing shit to help the actual US economy which no one has done in forever. They all took bribes made easier laws and tax breaks to make shit in other countries and send back and sell to us. He is the only one that stood up to China and think about it they need us more then we need them we can make our own products for more expensive but we can do it they have no one else to sell them to though so why have we been giving them pretty much free taxes bringing that shit here and selling to us and making all the money.

    They threw how many things at Trump? Whole impeachment was a joke

    I am telling you this could be a start for wonderful things for the US as long as we dont fall for this bullshit Way too much shit to write but look at Obama bank bail outs they took bonuses with that money all this bullshit that has been happening Trump stopped thats why they going at him hard. He's not the perfect answer but we need someone like him after him to keep this going.

    If Bernie was 100 years younger he would not be a bad candidate listen to his Rogan interview.

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    Originally Posted by Bobbyloads View Post
    If Bernie was 100 years younger he would not be a bad candidate listen to his Rogan interview.
    Trump and Sanders are only 5 years apart in age.
    Sanders and Biden are only 1 year apart.

    The gap is insignificant.
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    Originally Posted by Iron1 View Post
    Trump and Sanders are only 5 years apart in age.
    Sanders and Biden are only 1 year apart.

    The gap is insignificant.
    I'm not going to pick hairs but there is a huge difference between 73 & closing in on 80. As I said before the VP picks will be a critical choice for Biden/Sanders. I'm not saying that Trump is all there mentally but damn, Biden is losing his mind. Sanders just had a heart attack(not that he has a chance).

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    Originally Posted by Bobbyloads View Post
    OMG

    In all reality Trump is the only one that is doing shit to help the actual US economy which no one has done in forever. They all took bribes made easier laws and tax breaks to make shit in other countries and send back and sell to us. He is the only one that stood up to China and think about it they need us more then we need them we can make our own products for more expensive but we can do it they have no one else to sell them to though so why have we been giving them pretty much free taxes bringing that shit here and selling to us and making all the money.

    They threw how many things at Trump? Whole impeachment was a joke

    I am telling you this could be a start for wonderful things for the US as long as we dont fall for this bullshit Way too much shit to write but look at Obama bank bail outs they took bonuses with that money all this bullshit that has been happening Trump stopped thats why they going at him hard. He's not the perfect answer but we need someone like him after him to keep this going.

    If Bernie was 100 years younger he would not be a bad candidate listen to his Rogan interview.

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    The Mueller report was a joke too.....But is sent 35 ppl to federal prison.

    The trickle down economics.....The person taxes rate that is temp and the corp that isnt....

    All the big corporations did was stock buy back plans, I work for a fortune 100 company and shit, nothing came my way.....Nor any of my co-workers.

    The only thing he did positive was stand up to China, but it cost us trillions.

    Im not for the dems, id really like to see a honest republican come up out of the woodwork, but that aint happening. Hes just a compulsive liar.

    Plz tell me tho.....you believe what he says...?? Im interested in that

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    Originally Posted by DF View Post
    I'm not going to pick hairs but there is a huge difference between 73 & closing in on 80. As I said before the VP picks will be a critical choice for Biden/Sanders. I'm not saying that Trump is all there mentally but damn, Biden is losing his mind. Sanders just had a heart attack(not that he has a chance).
    Trumps DR said he was a stable genius. Dont worry brother

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    Originally Posted by DF View Post
    I'm not going to pick hairs but there is a huge difference between 73 & closing in on 80. As I said before the VP picks will be a critical choice for Biden/Sanders. I'm not saying that Trump is all there mentally but damn, Biden is losing his mind. Sanders just had a heart attack(not that he has a chance).
    My point was that with either Democratic candidate, the age difference between them and Trump is near identical.

    So far as I'm concerned, the mental health of any of them is questionable. Considering these morons would wind up controlling a nuclear arsenal, I'd like mental health screenings to be a little more important than they are. (Yes I know he can't just launch the things but still).
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    Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    we will have the same come Nov

    Trump

    Biden/Sanders


    Both bad choices
    Trump being the obvious better choice of the 3

    Sanders is an open socialist and Biden is part of the last failed administration.
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    Anyone who absolutely has to vote democrat should vote on the only one in the race that still has America in mind

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/07/tulsi-...m-next-debate/
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    Anyone notice that during the Super Tuesday primary voting, there were several candidates on the ballot that were already out of the running?

    My town is super fukin small and didn't mind if I looked at the lists.
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    Originally Posted by Iron1 View Post
    Anyone notice that during the Super Tuesday primary voting, there were several candidates on the ballot that were already out of the running?

    My town is super fukin small and didn't mind if I looked at the lists.
    The whole process is fukd Iron! and yes.

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    Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
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    The Mueller report was a joke too.....But is sent 35 ppl to federal prison.

    The trickle down economics.....The person taxes rate that is temp and the corp that isnt....

    All the big corporations did was stock buy back plans, I work for a fortune 100 company and shit, nothing came my way.....Nor any of my co-workers.

    The only thing he did positive was stand up to China, but it cost us trillions.

    Im not for the dems, id really like to see a honest republican come up out of the woodwork, but that aint happening. Hes just a compulsive liar.

    Plz tell me tho.....you believe what he says...?? Im interested in that
    I do not care if its a republican or dem just as long as they do right.

    I do not believe what any of them say lol

    Unfortunately he was the better candidate last time and again this time.

    Imagine if Hilary won last time or if Biden wins this time SMH I am pretty sure dude is a pedophile.

    Hopefully this circus brings out better candidates next election but I am pretty sure Trump JR will win.

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    The other thing that gives me pause about Biden. Obama has not given his endorsement. That is making me think that Obama is taking a step back & there will be more to this Ukraine thing coming for Biden.

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