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    Is it easier for Trannys to get on TRT than men?

    It’s known that there are many women out there that don’t want to be a woman or believe they’re actually a man stuck in a women’s body.

    What isn’t well known is how they pay for it and get approved by Doctors/insurance companies for approval. I’ve heard that Medicare/ObomaCare pay for surgeries where they cut their dick and balls off and reconstruct a mangina. Then they’re given testosterone therapy (and still compete in women sports and break every record). All of this paid by American tax payers.

    When Trump banned Trans people from the military. Some people were outraged and called bigotry and sexism. Yet, a friend of mine in the Navy told me that Trans people were enlisting in the army because the Army would provide them sex change procedures on the Tax payer’s dime.

    As a man, I had a hard time getting prescribed TRT. I was young (26 at the time) but destroyed my Natural testosterone production from a cycle and never recovered and spent 4 years walking around with only 150-200ng of testosterone.

    ive been on TRT for 3.5 years and pay out of pocket for Testosterone Cyp because insurance won’t cover me (thank God for goodRx).

    are these claims true?
    Is it easier for confused or mentally ill women to get prescribed Testosterone than men with low testosterone ?
    Do a lot of them get covered at the expense of Tax payers?




    https://www.healthline.com/health/medicare/does-medicare-cover-gender-affirmation#what-is-covered

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    Dude I was listening to Rogan yesterday with that lady that wrote the book about the shit and I started thinking since planed parenthood gives TRT i wass thinking as a joke go in there and say I identify as a woman that wants to transition into a man and I need TRT. With today's society they can't tell me no right?

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    lol I was listening too and the wheels started turning. Especially she made it sound like you just walk out with a script, no questions asked.

    I am non-binary gender that wants to transition to male gender. Wear a pride shirt and put lipstick on. I honestly don't know if they could turn you away.

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    Dude I was listening to Rogan yesterday with that lady that wrote the book about the shit and I started thinking since planed parenthood gives TRT i wass thinking as a joke go in there and say I identify as a woman that wants to transition into a man and I need TRT. With today's society they can't tell me no right?
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    I am unsure of where you got your information, but it does sound like you are speaking from a place of assumption or ignorance and the word "tranny" is generally considered very offensive. I'm not here to argue with someone on the internet, so I am just going to answer your questions.

    To answer your questions-

    First- Trans people are not "confused" or "mentally ill" as per numerous scientific studies and medical reports. There is a genuine disconnect between the brain structure/function and the body with which biology assigned them. Planned Parenthood will give HRT under informed-consent, but it is usually without solid lab results and at far less dosage than a cisgender (assigned at birth) male. Otherwise, it is only through a therapists' recommendation to a doctor that hormone therapy is required. There are usually plenty of hoops to go through, especially in more rural areas of the Country.

    Second- No it is not at all covered at the expense of tax payers, so I have no idea where this idea came from. The vast majority of people either pay out of pocket or via health insurance as per medical necessity.

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    Come to canada where the tax payers cover you transitional costs.

    It was a few years back, even before trump... Probably when obama was in, that a lot of trans were joining forces for the sex transition.
    Well, to be fair...
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    HRT for both men and women is prescribed through Tricare. Statistically the majority of those on HRT funded through tax payer money are men just by virtue of the enlistment numbers. Many people join the military for healthcare and education, one could argue that those are the largest reason for joining.

    https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/...acementTherapy

    Some additional reading on the subject with more in-depth analysis:

    https://health.mil/News/Articles/201...cement-Therapy

    Transition surgeries are explicitly omitted from VA care:

    "Gender confirming surgery cannot be performed or funded by VA."

    https://www.patientcare.va.gov/LGBT/...T_Policies.asp
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    Originally Posted by AKatt View Post
    I am unsure of where you got your information, but it does sound like you are speaking from a place of assumption or ignorance and the word "tranny" is generally considered very offensive. I'm not here to argue with someone on the internet, so I am just going to answer your questions.

    To answer your questions-

    First- Trans people are not "confused" or "mentally ill" as per numerous scientific studies and medical reports. There is a genuine disconnect between the brain structure/function and the body with which biology assigned them. Planned Parenthood will give HRT under informed-consent, but it is usually without solid lab results and at far less dosage than a cisgender (assigned at birth) male. Otherwise, it is only through a therapists' recommendation to a doctor that hormone therapy is required. There are usually plenty of hoops to go through, especially in more rural areas of the Country.

    Second- No it is not at all covered at the expense of tax payers, so I have no idea where this idea came from. The vast majority of people either pay out of pocket or via health insurance as per medical necessity.

    https://news.yahoo.com/more-half-tra...174900293.html

    When the majority of a group of people have considered suicide, Iíd say there is an underlying mental issue.

    how are tax payers not at the expense when you said Planned Parenthood, funded by tax dollars, covers HRT?

    the article I posted shows that Medicare covers Transgender treatment and surgeries.

    and hereís an article showing the Military paid for transgender surgeries.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ia/2991706002/

    I donít know who you are with your 2 posts but I appreciate you for commenting. It motivated me to do more research

    thank you.

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    Any guy with low t can get trt from a Dr if they have half a brain. No low T = you don't need trt. It's pretty cut and dry. If you're not truly low t you can go to a clinic and pay for it if you need to be legal. But there's no reason to be on true trt if you don't have low test levels.

    No real Dr is giving men T if they don't have low T just like no real Dr gives you percs if you don't need percs.
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    I'm polish been hearing Pollack all my life.

    I can not tell people not to call me that because I get offended.

    Every one now a days is too soft and sensitive, I mean ok the N word for black people I do not use and do not think any one should use because of the obvious. You start into this bullshit of you wanna be refereed to as a woman but you were born with balls or giving hormones to kids under 18 or any of this new crazy shit FOH with that shit.

    There is a place for every body and every kind with every fetish or weird shit that is out there but once you start to pressure the whole society into calling to zur bur chur or you have a dick and wanna use the womans bathroom no I have children shit not gonna fly.

    I do not care what you do but dont force me or my kids to have it shoved down our throats.

    Gay parade for example they are blowing each other on the street like for real in neighborhoods where families live if I piss outside and a kids near by I am automatically a sex offender. Keep shit fair keep your shit either civil and appropriate or rent a warehouse and do that shit like normal sex party people.


    Now I am upset.

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    Originally Posted by DieYoungStrong View Post
    Any guy with low t can get trt from a Dr if they have half a brain. No low T = you don't need trt. It's pretty cut and dry. If you're not truly low t you can go to a clinic and pay for it if you need to be legal. But there's no reason to be on true trt if you don't have low test levels.

    No real Dr is giving men T if they don't have low T just like no real Dr gives you percs if you don't need percs.
    Insurance companies are making it harder and harder to get approved. It used to be anything under 350ng of total test is low. Now it’s 200ng total test and free test has to be included as well.

    if insurance companies are covering transgender surgeries and HRT I wonder how much that raises the cost of insurance for the rest of us

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    Was I rude to you? No. I also don't live on this forum- I come on to do my own research and answer questions from time to time.

    Those that consider suicide do not do so because of who they are- it is because of hatred, rejection, discrimination, and people making assumptions about others that they do not know, just as you did with me.

    I didn't say that tax payers or the military never paid for it, but it is a fraction of total expenses by both. The military spends far more on viagra for service members than it does for anything regarding HRT for trans people.

    The vast majority of trans people do pay out of pocket or insurance so my statement still stands as correct. Lastly, I do not take testosterone and I don't have a "chode", thanks.

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    Originally Posted by German89 View Post
    Come to canada where the tax payers cover you transitional costs.

    It was a few years back, even before trump... Probably when obama was in, that a lot of trans were joining forces for the sex transition.
    Please forward this message to all the Never Trumpers. That’ll get rid of 25% of em

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    Originally Posted by AKatt View Post

    First- Trans people are not "confused" or "mentally ill" as per numerous scientific studies and medical reports. There is a genuine disconnect between the brain structure/function and the body with which biology assigned them.
    If I think I wanna be a duck and run around quacking even though I was born a human people would think I was crazy!

    See no difference. You are born how you should be. Deal with it. That's my opinion

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    Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Insurance companies are making it harder and harder to get approved. It used to be anything under 350ng of total test is low. Now it’s 200ng total test and free test has to be included as well.

    if insurance companies are covering transgender surgeries and HRT I wonder how much that raises the cost of insurance for the rest of us
    A lot of this is because free test is what actually makes you feel the symptoms of low T. Think of total test as Estrogen and Free Test as your E2. That's what really matters.

    Again, I'm talking true trt, and not cruise or clinic doses.

    Also, if you're not happy with your Dr, you can easily run your own trt protocol. And you can also very easily crash your t and make your way on to a script. You'll feel like hell for a few months, but once you have a script - you're on.

    I know you mention trannies in the thread, but I'm not touching that one. I'm just saying that it's really not that hard for a man to get on trt if you need it, or can fake your way on it, or just do it yourself.
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    Originally Posted by El Gringo View Post
    Please forward this message to all the Never Trumpers. That’ll get rid of 25% of em
    Canadians pay significantly less per individual for healthcare than Americans do even with all the services they offer to any citizen. Actually, any country with a single payer health care costs individuals less than what Americans pay.

    There's a pretty good study out there if you're interested in reading. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3633404/

    Healthcare is something I'm passionate about because as a privately insured American, I have ailments that I can't afford to treat properly and it fukking pisses me off.
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    Originally Posted by Iron1 View Post
    Canadians pay significantly less per individual for healthcare than Americans do even with all the services they offer to any citizen. Actually, any country with a single payer health care costs individuals less than what Americans pay.

    There's a pretty good study out there if you're interested in reading. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3633404/

    Healthcare is something I'm passionate about because as a privately insured American, I have ailments that I can't afford to treat properly and it fukking pisses me off.
    $1500/month I have to pay for a family of 5.

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    Originally Posted by Bobbyloads View Post
    $1500/month I have to pay for a family of 5.
    What's the deductible if you don't mind me asking?<br>

    I'm kind of derailing the thread and that's not my intent so disregard.
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    Originally Posted by DieYoungStrong View Post
    Any guy with low t can get trt from a Dr if they have half a brain. No low T = you don't need trt. It's pretty cut and dry. If you're not truly low t you can go to a clinic and pay for it if you need to be legal. But there's no reason to be on true trt if you don't have low test levels.

    No real Dr is giving men T if they don't have low T just like no real Dr gives you percs if you don't need percs.
    I don't really see the difference in a man wanting to be/feel more manly and a woman wanting to be/feel more manly though :^ / I mean, if a man has to 'qualify' and a woman doesn't. Def does sound like a huge discrimination there.
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    Brilliant. Another thinly-veiled straw-man thread coming from a place of hatred and ignorance.

    Just what the board needs.

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    Thank you for this. Its nice to know that the board isn't just made of a bunch of bros with fragile masculinity.

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