Gas Shortage

[Iron1]

If stocking up on essential supplies at the beginning of a shortage is selfish, count me selfish. Only way to stop us is to raise prices, but of course, that's illegal.

Not at all.
History has shown exactly what will happen if people continue to be selfish and react emotionally. The energy crisis in the 1970's laid the groundwork for how this is going to play out if people don't learn to be responsible with their consumption.

You will get a ticket that will only allow you to purchase x amount of fuel on specific days of the week.

Like I said before, we have been through exactly this in the past and have learned absolutely nothing for it.

 

[flenser]

Ha, that happened because the idiot socialist Jimmy Carter tried to fix prices. When the price fixing ended, so did the shortages.

I agree with the learned nothing part.

 

[Iron1]

It does not matter if the cause was intentional, accidental or otherwise. If people can't get their hands on fuel, it's a shortage and it will lead to rationing. You can see it for yourself in this very post, people cannot reliably get their hands on fuel.

Rationing happened again in 2012 https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/...y-imposes-gas-rationing-to-ease-shortage.html

For the record, I don't care if you gas up your vehicles and stash a 10gallon jug away somewhere. That's not who I personally consider to be contributing to the problem. It's these people.

and my personal favorite

 

[FlyingPapaya]

I was going to say. If people didn't go out and buy a ton there would be no shortage. The toilet paper thing wouldn't have happened if people had shopped normally.

 

[BrotherIron]

****ing morons buying gas and then they'll hoard it. Just use common sense and the problem wouldn't have even been one.

 

[FlyingPapaya]

It does not matter if the cause was intentional, accidental or otherwise. If people can't get their hands on fuel, it's a shortage and it will lead to rationing. You can see it for yourself in this very post, people cannot reliably get their hands on fuel.

Rationing happened again in 2012 https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/...y-imposes-gas-rationing-to-ease-shortage.html

For the record, I don't care if you gas up your vehicles and stash a 10gallon jug away somewhere. That's not who I personally consider to be contributing to the problem. It's these people.

and my personal favorite

Yeah fuk these people.

I hope after all the cocks buy and hoard gas that they drop the price on half just to fuk em.

 

[Crom]

Ha, that happened because the idiot socialist Jimmy Carter tried to fix prices. When the price fixing ended, so did the shortages.

I agree with the learned nothing part.

Carter was and is a serious TOOL.

 

[BrotherIron]

It does not matter if the cause was intentional, accidental or otherwise. If people can't get their hands on fuel, it's a shortage and it will lead to rationing. You can see it for yourself in this very post, people cannot reliably get their hands on fuel.

Rationing happened again in 2012 https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/...y-imposes-gas-rationing-to-ease-shortage.html

For the record, I don't care if you gas up your vehicles and stash a 10gallon jug away somewhere. That's not who I personally consider to be contributing to the problem. It's these people.

and my personal favorite

All I'm going to say is... look at the demographic of people doing this stupid shit. I still blame CoVid for not killing these jackasses

 

[Crom]

Yeah fuk these people.

I hope after all the cocks buy and hoard gas that they drop the price on half just to fuk em.

Are those trash bags filled with fuel? What's the game plan to get the gas out of those bags? I really hope these idiots got some fuel stabilizer. I doubt we'll see gas prices below $2.00 for long time. Gas and everything else has done nothing but climb since the election.

I really wish people voted with their wallets instead of their emotions.

 

[BrotherIron]

Just put a limit on how many gallons each person can buy. These ****ing clowns.

 

[creekrat]

I believe gas and diesel production don't interfere with one another. I'm pretty sure as the crude is heated, at certain temps it separates into the different fuels, so one doesn't affect the other.

I could be wrong, maybe Trump or Creek would have more knowledge on it.

Diesel/kerosene is a byproduct of the production of gasoline. This is why it used to be cheaper than gasoline. Once the Ultra Low Sulphur was mandated they had to take additional steps to strip sulphur from the fuel which caused the increase in price.

Just a few months ago we were sitting on the largest stockpile of reserves ever. This is what caused oil to go negative due to the Cushing storage facility refusing to take any more since they were full. There were also tankers offshore that were just sitting there full. This will correct and should take no more than 30-45 days but with summer around the corner the prices won’t correct to where they were.

One of the biggest liberal misconceptions is that oil and gas is all we get from crude when in fact it is used to make their fancy plastic electric cars, cosmetics, pigments, etc.

https://i.imgur.com/lDygwgK.jpg

 

[creekrat]

Oh another thing. There is an exponential number of different types of crude and bitumen(tar) that hold value differently due to how easy or difficult they are to refine. The world standard is Brent Crude but in the North Sea and Northern Europe. West Texas has west Texas intermediate and light sweet.

In addition, lead in gasoline and sulphur in diesel were not as toxic as they made it out to be. In their respective solutions they were actually great lubricants although with the lead you had to watch out for fouling more.

 

[Iron1]

I cannot tell you just how cool I think it is to get industry information from people who actually work in that industry.
Thanks Creek

 

[Janoy Cresva]

Not at all.
History has shown exactly what will happen if people continue to be selfish and react emotionally. The energy crisis in the 1970's laid the groundwork for how this is going to play out if people don't learn to be responsible with their consumption.

You will get a ticket that will only allow you to purchase x amount of fuel on specific days of the week.

Like I said before, we have been through exactly this in the past and have learned absolutely nothing for it.

Yeah, blame the citizens not government policies for gas shortages. Big brain time

 

[Iron1]

Yeah, blame the citizens not government policies for gas shortages. Big brain time

That was your take-away from reading my posts? There seems to be a lack of understanding what I'm communicating.

Here's the cliffs notes.

Gas is in short supply. Hoarding makes the situation worse for everyone.
The reason WHY there's a fuel shortage is outside of our control but we as individuals CAN make it even worse by hoarding.

Clear?

 

[FlyingPapaya]

I would say they go hand in hand. Stupid people/stupid politicians/gov

 

[flenser]

That was your take-away from reading my posts? There seems to be a lack of understanding what I'm communicating.

Here's the cliffs notes.

Gas is in short supply. Hoarding makes the situation worse for everyone.
The reason WHY there's a fuel shortage is outside of our control but we as individuals CAN make it even worse by hoarding.

Clear?

There would be no shortage and little hoarding if sellers were free to raise prices during emergencies. You might have to pay $10/gallon for a couple of weeks, but it would be available when you needed it. Free will or no, human nature is immutable. Might as well complain about the weather.

 

[Iron1]

There would be no shortage and little hoarding if sellers were free to raise prices during emergencies. You might have to pay $10/gallon for a couple of weeks, but it would be available when you needed it. Free will or no, human nature is immutable. Might as well complain about the weather.

lol, I can't anymore.
Have fun man, I'm out.

 

[creekrat]

There would be no shortage and little hoarding if sellers were free to raise prices during emergencies. You might have to pay $10/gallon for a couple of weeks, but it would be available when you needed it. Free will or no, human nature is immutable. Might as well complain about the weather.

This is a sticky slope to allow price gouging for just about any purpose on a whim. Gas stations make cents on the gallon and is done in futures. They are forecasting the cost of the next truckload and adjust their prices accordingly. They are not paying for the current stock.

Oil is traded as a future as well and can get very confusing.

 

[Adrenolin]

"I contributed to the gas shortage" is a weird flex.

That's not a flex at all. If everyone else is buying up all the gas you'd be a dumbass not to ensure you have enough for your family to get to and from work. I have drums and large fuel cells I could have filled if I really wanted to hoard gas. A lot of the pictures being posted filling up several cans.. people have businesses like landscaping that require that fuel, I don't consider that hoarding gas at all.