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    suggestions for pct?

    Hey guys, whats a good pct protocol ?

    ... Was on test/deca, last shot was 14 days ago, since then did test prop up till 5 days ago (last shot). I was on HCG the whole cycle. 500-750 iu/w, taking weeks off (one on, one off)... Did not use AI.
    Yesterday, i took the HCG i had left, 1500 iu
    I figured id wait 4 days, and start pct...(?)
    On hand i got aromasin, clomid, nolva, and adex ( i was thinking 25mg aromasin, 25mg clomid and maybe 20mg nolva ED ?)

    What do you guys think? Does that sound ok?

    ty guys

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    25 or Aromasin seems a bit high. But clomid at 50ed for four weeks and nolva at 40 for the first two week and 20 ed for weeks three and four. You might wanna drop Aromasin down to 12.5. If you didn't have estro issues on cycle not taking anything. I doubt youll need that much. Nolva and clomid will help a little but do not lower e in the blood that's why I say run an ai in pct.

    Also next cycle have your whole cycle, serms, ais, etc planned before you start as well as having everything before you start. It saves for headaches or issues.

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Thanks BigH,

    So arom @ 12.5 ed, nolva @ 40 (1-2) 20 (3-4)ed, Clomid @ 50 (1-4)ed ?

    Btw i did have all on hand, just wanted to double check...

    Tks bro!

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    What herm says is good:

    Clomid 50/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Did you have the AI's on hand throughout cycle and opt not to use them? I am on TRT now and trying to decide if I want to drop mine because I've never had any E2 issues and ran w/o AI's many times.

    HERMY - How often / how long you think Trust should run that dose of Aromasin you recommended? 4wks @ 12.5 EOD?

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

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    Thanks BigH,

    So arom @ 12.5 ed, nolva @ 40 (1-2) 20 (3-4)ed, Clomid @ 50 (1-4)ed ?

    Btw i did have all on hand, just wanted to double check...

    Tks bro!
    haha you posted before I could... same ****ing question too.

    Trust I think 12.5 ED will cause problems but herm may feel different about how to use it in PCT... IDK

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Need more info about AI in pct

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    AndroSport, to answer you question i had AI but didn't feel the need to use it.
    I did switch lab @ 15 weeks. I had Organon karachi ampules weeks 1-15, then switched to Andromed gear. I felt a huge difference when i switched. Andromed gear was twice as strong as Organon pharma grade.
    I think if i ran 20 wks of Andromed gear i would have needed to use AI, but since my Organon ampules were pretty crappy imo, i didnt feel the need to run a AI. Never been prone to gyno etc..

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    The reason for Aromasin in pct is when your test lowers, your e will rise. Serms don't lower e in the blood so you still need help to lower it.

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Originally Posted by BigHerm View Post
    The reason for Aromasin in pct is when your test lowers, your e will rise. Serms don't lower e in the blood so you still need help to lower it.
    HERM - we know that part. BUT would you run Ai in PCT same as you run on cycle? Like Aromasin 12.5 EOD? Or change it? I know it stops test CONVERSION to E2 but also lowers E2 in general even if your test is low so not much to convert there? I have not used AI so much in the past (usually keep it on hand but have only run it on cycle a few times and running it now with TRT) and never in PCT honestly.

    Not trying to jack TRUST's thread but could you clarify how you think he should run the AI in PCT? Obviously as I am on TRT now this will not matter for me but want to make sure TRUST has clear answer on that if possible.

    Thanks you big sexy man!

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    Torem/aromasin was the best pct I ever ran...

    120/60/60/60
    12.5 daily x 4 weeks on the aromasin
    "Overzealous dosing" -Jin

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    My thought is that we use aromasin in pct because when the test goes away, we have more E then T so the ratio test/estro is very low, and an AI will help and try to bring that ratio to a more normal value.

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Ya i would run ai on cycle. Anso next time have your pct on hand and planned out before starting a cycle. U never know when you migh have to drop a cycle in a hyrry and junp into pct mid cycle, ie injurier, unplanned trips and shit like that...
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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Originally Posted by Lulu66 View Post
    Ya i would run ai on cycle. Anso next time have your pct on hand and planned out before starting a cycle. U never know when you migh have to drop a cycle in a hyrry and junp into pct mid cycle, ie injurier, unplanned trips and shit like that...
    Aside from the mispelled words (Just ****in with you lol) this is very true. I agree 100% with lulu, you NEVER know when something could happen, This is why people always say have it all figured out before hand. But lucky for you we are here! Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 50/50/50/50 is what I see most run, It seems to be the most effective!

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Thanks guys!

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

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    My thought is that we use aromasin in pct because when the test goes away, we have more E then T so the ratio test/estro is very low, and an AI will help and try to bring that ratio to a more normal value.
    ^^^^ this is one reason for an AI on PCT plus I want to add here something else. Specially at the end of PCT is when the AI is more effective IMO reason I said this is to prevent any estro rebound at the end. Best way is to taper off the dose after 4 weeks or SERM treatment do Aro for 2 more weeks and taper off lit by lit till come off. Hermy nailed the PCT for you, I like this sexy MOd damn it!!!!!

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    what Herm said!!!! also Trust,i run my caber for an extra 4-6 weeks after last pin of deca,i have sexual issues after i run deca,which i dont do PCT,im on TRT i just decrease my test dose 100mg/week every week till im back down to my trt and run my caber like i said above,then taper my aromasin back to trt level amount i run of aromasin,from 25mg/ed on cycle down to 6.25mg/ed on trt

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    Thank you guys!

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    Re: suggestions for pct?

    I would scrap the nolva since it lowers IGF levels and that is the last thing I want to happen during PCT. Personally I would just run the clomid at 4 weeks at 50mg ed. The clomid itself will protect from any rebound gyno and the presence of estrogen during PCT is a good thing IMO, kick that natural test back faster.

    Now if estrogen becomes an issue by all means toss in the AI

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