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    TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    Many of us think we have the game figures out and if we simply cycle our gear the right way, and use PCT in the off periods, no long term damage will occur. Personally I did 7 years of cycling, but sometimes stayed on for 4-5 months at a time, because, lets face it, we all push it a little. But, I did recover for 8-12 weeks at a time with PCT 2-3x a year. My doses were reasonable and about what everyone else uses. I started at 36-37 years of age long after optimizing my full potential. I am 45 years old now and on TRT for the rest of my life. I tired 1 year cold turkey with just HCG, clomid, tamoxifen for recovery. Went back to HCG several times during that year, and I never got my natural test back.....NEVER. After 13 months of cold turkey and final test reading of 60 (300-1200 is normal), I went on TRT. Will be on this the rest of my life. I have read up on the issue and I think this will be the norm.....meaning this will happen to most of us using AAS, regardless of how smart we all think we are and how we cycle and the PCT we apply.......

    Know I will be disagreed with, and maybe flamed, but it happened to me and I was reasonably careful, as well as 2 friends of mine that are now on TRT for life. The only up side is that TRT is kind of awesome and I am still better off than all other 45 year olds.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I've been on TRT and even though im off it now, my natty test levels are so low that its likely i'll have to go back on for life. I've been putting it off for the last five years, but as i become increasingly anxious about maintaining my health i find that i want to go both on Test and HGH. I'll be 45 this year and although im fit, i want to make sure that over the next 20 years im as active and fit as possible - and keeping my hormone levels normal is an important part of that. I see Suzanne Somers and all the work she is putting into learning about what is happening in medicine and i think that is what i want to be - an educated consumer of health services. Sylvester Stallone is the same - looking good for his age - and thats how i want to be. And if TRT and HGH can give me an edge to beating old father time then i intend to use them both!
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I can't say that TRT will happen to most of us because of AAS use. There's so many other factors in today's world that could contribute to this. Thus the reason so many guys are going on TRT that have never even seen a vial or a tab before. Factors like pain killers, hormones in food, Ritalin in children, drug abuse, ect. I think alot of these things have long term side effects that don't get looked at too much in today's "pop a pill and feel better" world. I believe personally my past heavy heavy drug abuse lowered my natural test at a very young age. I tested below 400 at the age of 23 before I ever touched AAS. Although I do agree that we all take the risk of being on TRT for life with every cycle we do, I just don't fall for the "it was all caused by those evil steroids" bit that media and politicians project into societies mind. Opioids are scientifically known to lower testosterone but they're handed out like candy at the doctors office. What long term studies have been done, and by long term I'm talking 20+ years, on kids that are prescribed Ritalin at age 6? I want to see how thier HPTA is effected by these synthetic drugs. What about long term studies on hormones, fillers, preservatives, pesticides, ect. that are being served to billions of people everyday? Where are the unbiased studies on those? There's not any because those types of things pad people's pocket books. Just my .02.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I needed trt after only 3 cycles and I'm only 32. Sone people just recover better then others and will last longer in that area but I do feel that anyone who cycles will be put on trt eventually. Not that its a bad thing. I've ran Dr scallys pct twice and yes it helped me from being hypogonadal but it hasn't helped me get back to my normal levels. I believe everyone that decides to use aas should realize where that road will most likely take them.

    And what colt said

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I'm 43 and it's fact test lowers as we age and GH starts to die after 13, so I am in belief many will catch on to the fact a pill like viagra is not the answer and replacing what is lost is.

    I swore back in the 90's and I didn't use until 4 years ago that HRT and TRT was going to be huge and now I see it going further and killing high priced clinics in the futire with covered insurance, look as long as the Pharma Companies have hands on it anything can happen, don't you see the commercials that started coming out in the last year about asking your Doctor about Testosterone Treatments. Once one Company starts making big money on it they will all jump in.
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    Good post guys. Yes i agree that users of ass for years will eventually need it. Not that we won't want it. The more times suppressed, as well as for how long, has a big role in permanent damage. I try to be safe as possible but I can see a drop in my matty test already. Not a drastic change but its Def getting lower. I'm also 27. I just feel some people are more lucky then others and also have higher natty levels then normal. There is a lot going on with this particular subject and tons of variations. But like cobra said most users will be candidates if a regular user no matter how careful you are.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    Originally Posted by BigHerm View Post
    Good post guys. Yes i agree that users of ass for years will eventually need it. Not that we won't want it.
    ^FINALLY herm posts something that's true.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I'm a user of ass for sho!!!

    I agree spongy but it won't really start taking off until its covered by insurance. Take my insurance for example...they will pay for it but not until my deductible is used first. That's 2500 deduct a year....I'm not gonna spend 2500 a year for some test...once they treat test line they treat statins then trt will explode amongst everyone

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    Good posts guys. Another factor to consider is that if you are suppressed long-term from AAS use or other drugs, Low testosterone is a much bigger risk factor for future cardiovascular disease. I shit you not, low testosterone in older men is a primary association with heart attack, as well as a few other maladies. TRT is much healthier long-term if you are suppressed, and as SFstud33 said, if you can stay more active with more muscle mass later in life, that is more healthy too.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    the more i keep reading about TRT, i still dont know or think i need a DR to tell me what i allready know.. or help me get gear i can allready get.... so whats the point of a DR and his crazy bills?
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    The point is that single slip of white paper that makes everything blessed by the government - a prescription.

    Yes, you can get TRT cheap if you do it yourself. I like having a prescription - means that if anyone hassles me like at an airport, law enforcement or whatever - then im covered and legal. Thats the main advantage. Peace of mind.
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    lol... and thats all i want is the free pass
    endos cost soooooooo much though around me
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    Docs can also monitor your blood work far better then you can and insurance covers those

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I'm 22...hopefully I break 40 before I go on... not really dreading it tho. Blast N Cruise Baby!!
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    fantastic!!! Thank you for sharing Moppy!

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    3 cycles and now on forever. Can you em me cob bc you helped me here
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I think you are pretty solid on what you are doing and have done... and as far as getting flamed. that will probably never happen on this site unless you are a complete idiot and asking for trouble
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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    AAS or not, shouldn't we all be on TRT as we get ''older''?

    I mean, doesn't our test levels decline as we get older? Why would we want to have low test, ever?

    Whats the upside of having a age induced low test, and leaving it that way?

    I bet the vast majority of men ( im talking about regular ppl )dont know wtf is test/hormones etc,...no way they will ever get that checked. But chances are a lot of men should be on trt.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    I'll weigh in here cause i'm old enough to be your dad - Hahaha - i started cycling at 47 and my test was low normal at the time. Then it plummeted as the boys realized they didnt need to work so hard if i shot it in my ass.... I did the big PCT after the cycles but it didnt help at 47. Now at 52 im on for life, but dammit - it makes me feel great and I can bench press the 90's with the 25 year olds at the gym! hahahaha so its all good - I just get tired of the sidelong glances from my 52 year old compatriots who have 14" arms and complain about a sore back after golfing.....

    It all depends on your perspective - only advice I give to young guys is think through the baby thing - freeze some sperm if you need to, just make sure when the time comes you have the swimmers you need.

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    Re: TRT for the rest of my life (This will likely happen to all of us)

    Good point Lean, luckily I already had my kids before I started. Would worry me now if I had to try for kids....not sure I would be that fertile. Any guys out there comment on this? Have you been successful in getting your girl prego while on or after being on for years?

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