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    Finastride pros and cons

    Hey all,

    I was thinking about including finastride (aka. proscar) in my current cycle, which is a first cycle, test only @ 550mg/week. Now I understand that it blocks DHT and thus can prevent hair loss on cycle as well as other DHT sides. But I don't see a ton of people including it in their cycle plans. Is that because they just don't care about hair loss, or is there a downside to taking finastride on cycle? Let me get a few questions down clearly here.

    1. What are the negatives to taking finastride during a cycle?

    2. Does this compound work to reduce acne on cycle as well? Or does it mainly benefit the hairline?

    3. Any other comments or experience you have with this compound, please share!

    Thanks guys!

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    I also have these same questions, nice post bra!!
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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    In my mind, the biggest cons to using finasteride are the complete loss of libido and the fact that it makes your estrogen skyrocket. You need a substantial AI to control it and to be honest it can take 6 months to a year for you to even start seeing results. The stuff can be downright nasty for some people. I would use this ONLY if you have already experienced hairloss. Fina can regrow lost hair, but as far as preventing hairloss it may not be the best option.

    Also, it's effect on pregnenolone is a bit alarming. Most I've personally known to use it have long periods of depression during and following use. It's one of those things that if you really need to use it then you're gonna have to give it a shot and see how it goes. But I hope that answers your question as to why not many use it. I inquired about it with my current doctor several years back and he said he would not prescribe it to me because he does not believe it is safe.

    On another note, try using a shampoo/conditioner that does not contain sulfates. This is what I do now and I notice my hair is thicker and helathier. I know this sounds like Pantene Pro-V commercial, lol, but it seriously works well if you care about your hair. The stuff is pretty pricey, but still cheaper than finasteride.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Originally Posted by Get Some View Post
    In my mind, the biggest cons to using finasteride are the complete loss of libido and the fact that it makes your estrogen skyrocket. You need a substantial AI to control it and to be honest it can take 6 months to a year for you to even start seeing results. The stuff can be downright nasty for some people. I would use this ONLY if you have already experienced hairloss. Fina can regrow lost hair, but as far as preventing hairloss it may not be the best option.

    Also, it's effect on pregnenolone is a bit alarming. Most I've personally known to use it have long periods of depression during and following use. It's one of those things that if you really need to use it then you're gonna have to give it a shot and see how it goes. But I hope that answers your question as to why not many use it. I inquired about it with my current doctor several years back and he said he would not prescribe it to me because he does not believe it is safe.

    On another note, try using a shampoo/conditioner that does not contain sulfates. This is what I do now and I notice my hair is thicker and helathier. I know this sounds like Pantene Pro-V commercial, lol, but it seriously works well if you care about your hair. The stuff is pretty pricey, but still cheaper than finasteride.
    Thanks Get Some, great info man. That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I have heard that it can increase estro, and that in a small percentage of men it causes libido problems, but I didn't realize that on cycle it could still crush the libido, I thought that applied mainly to off cycle, normal use.

    Let see if others have more to share, but from this it sounds like I will be avoiding using this compound unless the hairline starts taking a major hit.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Oh, and as far as acne.... Accutane is the drug that controls that. But, it's basically a vitamin A derivative that shrinks the subaceous glands so the skin produces less oil. Again, this drug can be really nasty. You put yourself at risk for psoriasis and other dry skin conditions as well as loss of libido and depression. Accutane is really only used for the most severe conditions.

    If you really want to control acne you have to consume a lot of water, use topical treatments, and eat cleaner.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    And I can tell you through the years of my use of AAS my hairline has receded about half an inch. BUT, I think this is just in the normal pattern of how I am aging. I am not especially prone to MPB, so I'm not terribly worried. But, if you have a family history of MPB and your father is "Sphere Bald" then you need to consider other treatments.

    I am in no way affiliated with the company in the link below, I just thought I would share it as an option for you guys because one of my buddies is having really good success with this stuff:

    http://www.regenix.com/

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Originally Posted by Get Some View Post
    Oh, and as far as acne.... Accutane is the drug that controls that. But, it's basically a vitamin A derivative that shrinks the subaceous glands so the skin produces less oil. Again, this drug can be really nasty. You put yourself at risk for psoriasis and other dry skin conditions as well as loss of libido and depression. Accutane is really only used for the most severe conditions.

    If you really want to control acne you have to consume a lot of water, use topical treatments, and eat cleaner.
    Yeah **** accutane that shit is evil, I had a few friends do that in highschool, no thanks I'll take a little acne. Its like chemotherapy for acne, that stuff kills your body.

    Oh and for the record, I don't have issues with acne or hair loss at the moment, I was just kind of wondering/planning ahead in case these issues arise so I know what to do.

    But seriously Get Some, stop pitching Pantene and Regenix, we all know you're sponsored by them ok it isn't fooling anyone.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    I started taking it two weeks ago. So far nothing to report. Libido is normal so far (but then again i am shooting myself full of test at the moment).

    Now that Get Some has mentioned the sides i will be sure to keep an eye out. I'll be getting bloodwork done in about two weeks so it will be interesting to see whats happening. If it looks horrible i might discontinue.

    I know Cashout is on finasteride, so you might want to check in and see his opinion...

    As with all drugs, YMMV
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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    The problems come when you discontinue.. Sexual problems like ed etc. There are plenty of sites where members are having problems.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Make sure you are running a solid AI and watch out for estro rebound because it can come at you double when on finasteride. Some people do manage to do well on finasteride but those are fewer than the ones to report all is well. Like I said, if you really feel you need it, give it a shot and see how things go. I just want to make sure people have as much info as possible before making a decision.

    Originally Posted by sfstud33 View Post
    I started taking it two weeks ago. So far nothing to report. Libido is normal so far (but then again i am shooting myself full of test at the moment).

    Now that Get Some has mentioned the sides i will be sure to keep an eye out. I'll be getting bloodwork done in about two weeks so it will be interesting to see whats happening. If it looks horrible i might discontinue.

    I know Cashout is on finasteride, so you might want to check in and see his opinion...

    As with all drugs, YMMV

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Originally Posted by Get Some View Post
    Make sure you are running a solid AI and watch out for estro rebound because it can come at you double when on finasteride. Some people do manage to do well on finasteride but those are fewer than the ones to report all is well. Like I said, if you really feel you need it, give it a shot and see how things go. I just want to make sure people have as much info as possible before making a decision.
    Thanks for the tips - they are appreciated. I'll probably start on adex twice weekly as the cycle ramps up - i guess the only way to know for sure will be to wait for my blood tests. I might go ahead and book the tests for next week prior to starting the adex. Next week is week 4 of this cycle - so thats probably a good time to see how things are going.
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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    I was looking into fina awsell, but sounds like to many cons compared to pros
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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    I've used Finasteride for almost 18 years straight now.

    As I've stated many many times before, I started using the drug as when it was in phase 3 clinical testing in 1994 and never stopped.

    It is the only reason I still have a full teenage-looking head of hair. No man in my family - either side - had a stitch of hair after the age of 30 years old.

    There is a lot of misinformation out there about Finasteride. As of today, there are 254 peer-reviewed published clinicals that use Finasteride. I've read everyone of them.

    For the questions you asked...

    No, Finasteride will do nothing for acne. Finasteride inhibits (to about 80% efficacy) the conversion type II iso-enzyme of DHT. That iso has a primary affinity for the receptors in the hair follicles. The type I iso-enzyme of DHT has primary affinity for the oil glands not the type II that is why Finasteride has little to no impact on acne.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    I really appreciate your input and firsthand experience on this for the members...

    BUT, after reading that post, if I was a complete newb and was looking for advice on using it, the way you word it is that you have experienced no side effects and I could expect the same results. I'm not trying to bash you bro, just trying to point things out so someone doesn't come along and think it's gonna be all roses and tits.

    Originally Posted by Cashout View Post
    I've used Finasteride for almost 18 years straight now.

    As I've stated many many times before, I started using the drug as when it was in phase 3 clinical testing in 1994 and never stopped.

    It is the only reason I still have a full teenage-looking head of hair. No man in my family - either side - had a stitch of hair after the age of 30 years old.

    There is a lot of misinformation out there about Finasteride. As of today, there are 254 peer-reviewed published clinicals that use Finasteride. I've read everyone of them.

    For the questions you asked...

    No, Finasteride will do nothing for acne. Finasteride inhibits (to about 80% efficacy) the conversion type II iso-enzyme of DHT. That iso has a primary affinity for the receptors in the hair follicles. The type I iso-enzyme of DHT has primary affinity for the oil glands not the type II that is why Finasteride has little to no impact on acne.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    The fact is I have had no side effects.

    I never implied that there are not side effects.

    I stated that there is a lot of misinformation out there.

    I mentioned the clinicals in the hope that anyone who wants insight would take it upon themselves to look in PubMed and read the recent research. There is a significant body of it - more than 16,000 individuals, myself included, have participated in methodologically controlled, peer-reviewed, studies on this drug.

    There is little reason why anyone need rely on "I know a guy at my gym" type of anecdotal evidence when collecting information on this particular substance.

    Originally Posted by Get Some View Post
    I really appreciate your input and firsthand experience on this for the members...

    BUT, after reading that post, if I was a complete newb and was looking for advice on using it, the way you word it is that you have experienced no side effects and I could expect the same results. I'm not trying to bash you bro, just trying to point things out so someone doesn't come along and think it's gonna be all roses and tits.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Originally Posted by Cashout View Post
    The fact is I have had no side effects.

    I never implied that there are not side effects.

    I stated that there is a lot of misinformation out there.

    I mentioned the clinicals in the hope that anyone who wants insight would take it upon themselves to look in PubMed and read the recent research. There is a significant body of it - more than 16,000 individuals, myself included, have participated in methodologically controlled, peer-reviewed, studies on this drug.

    There is little reason why anyone need rely on "I know a guy at my gym" type of anecdotal evidence when collecting information on this particular substance.
    Thanks for your input Cashout,

    Would it be too much to ask, for those of us who maybe wouldn't want to read 254 studies or might not be able to interpret all the information from them, what types of general conclusions were reached?

    My general understanding has been that a very small percentage of men, like 1% maybe, experience some sexual side effects which are potentially long-term. Is that accurate?

    Also, would you recommend using finastride pre-emptively to combat potential hair loss on cycle for people who might be predisposed to it, or would you recommend that people at least wait until they see some degree of noticeable hair loss before jumping on? Just plainly in terms of your personal opinion on this.

    I appreciate you lending your advice on this thread, I have a very high amount of respect for your intelligence and knowledge.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    ^BUmpppp Cashout whatcha think?!?!
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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

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    Originally Posted by Curiosity View Post

    My general understanding has been that a very small percentage of men, like 1% maybe, experience some sexual side effects which are potentially long-term. Is that accurate?

    ---> True the actual number that was estimated from a meta analysis of 144 studies was closer to 2.8% of otherwise health men with no previous reports of sexual dysfunction reported some instance when taking finasteride

    Also, would you recommend using finastride pre-emptively to combat potential hair loss on cycle for people who might be predisposed to it, or would you recommend that people at least wait until they see some degree of noticeable hair loss before jumping on? Just plainly in terms of your personal opinion on this.

    --->No. I would not recommend using finasteride "pre-emptively." Watch your hair line closely and use it only in the event that you begin to lose your hair. You have to be totally honest with yourself about this though and that is where guys run into trouble - they go into denial because they don't want to admit they are loosing their hair. When in fact, if they would do so, they could almost surely remedy the issue from the beginning. Instead, most guys try to kid themselves into believing its their haircut or shampoo or whatever. They let it go to a point and finally just say the "heck with it" and shave their head.

    I appreciate you lending your advice on this thread, I have a very high amount of respect for your intelligence and knowledge.

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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Thanks guys for taking the time on this info
    I'm still kinda young so this is just a general question for anyone who reads this
    This product is prescription? Or OTC
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    Re: Finastride pros and cons

    Prescription - get it proscribed as "5mg Proscar" if you are going to use it.

    That is a generic and very cost effective. Then cut the 5mg tabs into 4 pieces and take 1 1.25 mg piece daily.

    That way, it cost me about $10 a year with insurance.

    Originally Posted by Four1Thr33 View Post
    Thanks guys for taking the time on this info
    I'm still kinda young so this is just a general question for anyone who reads this
    This product is prescription? Or OTC

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