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    Mast and hair loss

    What's up fellas. Just lookin for some experiences with mast and hair loss. Any prevention tips? I've never had problems with hair loss. But I have read that mast can b a problem. My dads hair ends where his hat sits lol so that is a little concern. Thanx for any input.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Take a look at your mother's father. That's typically YOUR future brother.

    Mast is basically DHT... DHT starves and chokes off hair follicles on your head.... JUST on your head.... ain't that a bitch!!

    Finesteride and Minoxidil combined are the most effective treatment but must be used indefinitely.

    If you do NOT want to go that route look for a shampoo with Kopexil and caffeine as major ingredients.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Vette nailed it.

    I keep nizoral, spironolactone and minoxidil around. I've heard Spiro can work for all aas, not just dht. It's an androgen blocker not a dht blocker. I'm not sure how true that is, but it's what I've read a few places.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    masteron wasnt as bad as winnie for hair loss as far as im concerned.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Actually, Masteron is not "basically DHT."

    It is very different. Yes, the base compound is the the base steroid ring with the c=c double bond removed at the C4-C5 position. From there the other modifications make Mastron and its properties very differnt from DHT.

    First, it has much weaker binding affinity for the androgen receptor than either DHT or test. This is so because it doesn't interact with the 5-AR like other compounds. That 5-AR reduction is what actually causes test to convert to DHT.

    So, compared to DHT and Test, Masteron has 1/3 and about 2/3 the androgenic property of the aforementioned compounds - that generally translates to less binding to the androgen receptors on the hair follicles.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Originally Posted by Cashout View Post
    Actually, Masteron is not "basically DHT."

    It is very different. Yes, the base compound is the the base steroid ring with the c=c double bond removed at the C4-C5 position. From there the other modifications make Mastron and its properties very differnt from DHT.

    First, it has much weaker binding affinity for the androgen receptor than either DHT or test. This is so because it doesn't interact with the 5-AR like other compounds. That 5-AR reduction is what actually causes test to convert to DHT.

    So, compared to DHT and Test, Masteron has 1/3 and about 2/3 the androgenic property of the aforementioned compounds - that generally translates to less binding to the androgen receptors on the hair follicles.
    Masteron is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone or DHT ... for the purpose of the OP I simplified my answer.

    If it makes you feel better to not address his question but to point out the differences between the derivative Masteron and DHT, then by all means go for it.

    Regardless, the man simply wants to know how to save his hair ... and regarding balding.. "Although these changes (hair loss) are driven by androgens, most molecular mechanisms are unknown, limiting available treatments. The mesenchyme-derived dermal papilla at the base of the mainly epithelial hair follicle controls the type of hair produced and is probably the site through which androgens act on follicle cells by altering the regulatory paracrine factors produced by dermal papilla cells." I recommend you consider this: AAS induced alopecia. The specific mechanism of balding for the purposes of answering the OP's question is not relevant. ALL androgen producing hormones can cause baldness in men.

    As for Mast, it also acts as a mild AE as well.... and was invented to help treat breast cancer...... and since does not convert to estrogen through means of aromatisation can be run without an AI .... can we get back to the OPs question now?? His question was about hair loss and if we had : "Any prevention tips?"

    Do you have any??

    Again, for the purpose of hair loss and prevention I think it is safe to consider that as a DHT derivative Masteron can indeed be hard on your hairline and the hair products I recommend are the best current treatment for AAS induced hair loss.

    But that is just my opinion and I respect that yours is much different.


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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Originally Posted by DADAWG View Post
    masteron wasnt as bad as winnie for hair loss as far as im concerned.

    Mast is hell on my joints but not as much my hair... tren on the other hand kills my hair.... seems I remember POB saying Dbol killed his...

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    mast causes joint problems?? i have never heard that. you know the more i learn the more i think straight test is the best aas. am i wrong?

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Originally Posted by ken View Post
    mast causes joint problems?? i have never heard that. you know the more i learn the more i think straight test is the best aas. am i wrong?
    Mast doesn't typically create joint problems to the best of my knowledge Ken.

    I have pretty banged up joints. Mast dries me out... a lot... the removal of water from the adipose area is why so many BBs like it as a 'finisher' just prior to competition... apparently, that small amount of water removal has a relatively profound affect on me.

    There may be someone else here that has this same issue, I have not heard anyone else say they do though. Regardless, it isn't debilitating and I run it anyway.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    thanxs guys. as far as my moms dad... he had a full head of hair til he kicked it. it never ceases to amaze me how much bros know about all aspects of aas. i remember no internet and reading my book i had called anabolic primer over and over. lol along with anabolics 2000 and arnolds encyclopedia.

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Originally Posted by 63Vette View Post
    Mast is hell on my joints but not as much my hair... tren on the other hand kills my hair.... seems I remember POB saying Dbol killed his...

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    Do you take any measures to attempt to combat the hairloss caused by tren?

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    thanx cashout. somehow i didnt come across this in my search

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    with mast i did notice some hair coming out more frequent, i then added some nizoral shampoo and it actually worked. The only side i noticed from mast was prostate pressure and i doubled up on SAW p and all was good
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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Finasteride is not effective with Tren at all.

    Tren has no interaction with the 5-AR enzyme and that is the mechanism through which finasteride functionally works to limit the androgenic expression in AAS.

    Tren is the most androgenic commercially produced AAS available so, on a mgs to mgs basis, Tren has the greatest negative impact on hair follicles.

    Taking finasteride out of the equation, Rogaine is the next most effective option.

    Originally Posted by Azog View Post
    Do you take any measures to attempt to combat the hairloss caused by tren?

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    And as an aside: Is it true that Nizoral assists in preventing hair loss? I'm fine with using it twice a day, as its perfectly acceptable as a shampoo, and I'm even happier if it may help me keep my hair longer. (61 years old, nearly full head of hair, thinning at the top.)

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Yeah, I guess the information I detailed and linked in the other thread wasn't enough for you so I'll add to it just for you Vette.

    Finasteride is of NO USE with Masteron, or any DHT derived AAS. The DHT derived steroids like Masteron, Winstrol, Var, don't interact with the 5-AR so finasteride cannot work to reduce their specific androgenic properties.

    AGAIN, as I stated in my first post in the is thread, DHT derived AAS are FAR LESS androgenic than DHT or Test so the potential impact on the androgen receptors on the hair follicles is greatly reduced when one is using DHT derivied AAS compared to other more androgenic steroids like test or Tren for that matter.

    There you go Vette, your wait is over!




    Originally Posted by 63Vette View Post
    I assume your question is rhetorical?

    Some of us look for ways to answer questions asked while others seek to nit-pick irrelevant, off topic information. I like to encourage people and to seek common ground. My posts speak for themselves.

    Perhaps you could answer the question asked in this thread and we can then discuss the topic. It isn't about you, or me, its about hair loss due the the dht derivative masteron.

    The OP asked a simple question:

    Do you have any advice on how to reduce or prevent hair loss while using mast?

    We await your answer....

    Vette

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Guys your both extremely educated in this topic, thank you both cashout and vette.
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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Originally Posted by Cashout View Post
    Yeah, I guess the information I detailed and linked in the other thread wasn't enough for you so I'll add to it just for you Vette.
    And here is a link for you cash....
    Finasteride is of NO USE with Masteron, or any DHT derived AAS. ((Really?. Maybe you would like to read the previous link i just created about the great prostate benefits of Finesteride)) The DHT derived steroids like Masteron, Winstrol, Var, don't interact with the 5-AR so finasteride cannot work to reduce their specific androgenic properties.

    AGAIN, as I stated in my first post in the is thread, DHT derived AAS are FAR LESS androgenic than DHT or Test so the potential impact on the androgen receptors on the hair follicles is greatly reduced when one is using DHT derivied AAS compared to other more androgenic steroids like test or Tren for that matter.

    There you go Vette, your wait is over!

    It wasn't my question cash.... but thanks for restating your opinion. Sort of.

    You have still not suggested a way to help reduce hair loss with mast.

    Additionally, you are apparently assuming that a brother is going to run mast...alone..... no test or any other androgen that will also cause hair loss. I find that a strange assumption.

    Perhaps since you are a professional body builder you can tell us why running mast alone is a good idea. Most of us. non-professionals with other occupations run mast with testosterone. If that is too much to ask, maybe you can just refer us to a link of a previous post where you touted the advantages of running mast without test.

    I will stand by my answer to the OP that he will benefit from using a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor like finasteride and a vasodilator medication like Minoxidil combined as his most effective treatment.

    I appreciated his question and if there was something incorrect in my answer then by all means feel free to correct t it, expand on it, or do whatever makes you happy with it.... but at least give the OP the courtesy of answering his question in the process.

    Feel free to have the last word. I am not big on beating a dead horse ...

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    Vette, I am not wasting any more of my time with you on this board. Period. End of discussion.


    Originally Posted by 63Vette View Post
    It wasn't my question cash.... but thanks for restating your opinion. Sort of.

    You have still not suggested a way to help reduce hair loss with mast.

    Additionally, you are apparently assuming that a brother is going to run mast...alone..... no test or any other androgen that will also cause hair loss. I find that a strange assumption.

    Perhaps since you are a professional body builder you can tell us why running mast alone is a good idea. Most of us. non-professionals with other occupations run mast with testosterone. If that is too much to ask, maybe you can just refer us to a link of a previous post where you touted the advantages of running mast without test.

    I will stand by my answer to the OP that he will benefit from using a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor like finasteride and a vasodilator medication like Minoxidil combined as his most effective treatment.

    I appreciated his question and if there was something incorrect in my answer then by all means feel free to correct t it, expand on it, or do whatever makes you happy with it.... but at least give the OP the courtesy of answering his question in the process.
    Vette

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    Re: Mast and hair loss

    Why you two geniuses gotta be pissing each other off, I love having you both around, and you both have great knowledge on many subjects pertaining to AAS and other things. CHEER UP BUTTERCUPS!!!
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