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    Donating Blood... RBC only

    Went and donated blood at United Blood Centers today and already feeling my circulation is better... I put that off for too long. I'm sure i will sleep better too.

    Anyways - while i was there they commented on my good veins and blood type for donation and they were really pushing me to to the "double red" donation next time I come in.

    Would this be primarily beneficial for our need? Technically it sounds like it gets more red blood cells out of you than when donating whole blood. Has anyone done this option?

    Here is some info from their website:

    In a traditional blood donation, donors give whole blood—which consists of red cells, plasma and platelets. With the automated process called pheresis, donors can give a specific component in greater quantities than can be collected in a whole blood donation.

    During a Double Red Cell pheresis donation, whole blood is collected from one arm and goes into a machine called a “cell separator.” The machine separates the components and collects a measured amount of red blood cells into a special bag. Then the other components are mixed with a saline solution and returned to the donor.

    Double Red Cell donation, also called a “Power Red” or “2RBC” donation, is available only to donors who meet certain height/weight criteria.(See graphic above.)

    Oxygen-rich red blood cells are most often used for surgery or trauma patients. Donors who donate just their red blood cells through pheresis can double the amount of red blood cells donated at one time. There is a 112-day deferral period between Double Red Cell donations, and donors are eligible to give only three Double Red Cell donations per year.

    The Double Red Cell donation takes a little bit longer than a whole blood donation – approximately one hour and 15 minutes, including interview and refreshments. There are some special benefits to Double Red Cell donations:

    the saline solution leaves you more hydrated after donating
    the pheresis process uses a smaller needle
    donors aren’t called as often because of the longer deferral period.
    Talk to your donor care specialist to see if you meet the criteria to be a Power Red Donor, especially if you have O-positive or O-negative blood. If you find that you do not meet the Double Red Cell requirements but are eligible to donate and would like to try pheresis, you might be able to donate a different component or combination of components instead.

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    Re: Donating Blood... RBC only

    I do believe that it indeed takes more red blood cells than the traditional blood donation
    Seems like I remember Chip (R.I.P.) posting this very thing on ology back when he was with us if I'm not mistaken

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    Re: Donating Blood... RBC only

    I do double RBC every 112 days (most often you can do). Feel fantastic afterwards. I think its the best for what we do, not to mention its a great donation. Takes abouut 30 mnutes but well worth it IMO. Try it...

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    Re: Donating Blood... RBC only

    Hey Bro, glad you posted this up, ironic though as I was going to start a thread on it myself. I too went the other day and was told I was eligible to give two units. The downside is I would have to visit one of the Mobile units to do it. The lady explained that a machine, called an ALYX, could take two units of red blood cells as opposed to the normal one.
    From there site:
    Florida’s Blood Centers is excited to introduce you to ALYX, a new way for blood donors to be a hero to twice as many people in the community with fewer visits to the blood center. Through ALYX, donors are able to give two units of red cells during one visit – providing double the impact for patients requiring the most critically needed blood types. Also, this technology is portable, meaning most of our Big Red Buses provide this donation option for you!
    We know you’ll enjoy meeting ALYX. Many donors feel better after an ALYX donation. The process takes just 20-25 minutes, it requires a smaller needle than a typical donation and fluid is replaced back into the body, which reduces tiredness and the feeling of dizziness some donors experience.
    ALYX donors must have a higher level of iron than needed for a typical blood donation. Because of critically short supply, ALYX is recommended for donors with types O, B and A-negative. The FBC technician will be able to help you make the best decision for your donation. Men and women have different total blood volumes. So, males must be at least 5’1” tall and weigh at least 130 pounds to donate on ALYX. Women must be at least 5’5” tall and weigh at least 150 pounds. These requirements are set by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

    The process I believe you are describing is called Apheresis
    From their site:
    An Automated Apheresis donation provides the most precious components used when treating cancer patients—platelets and plasma. This technology allows donors to give a larger quantity of specific cells than a standard donation so your donation has a bigger impact. For example, one automated platelet donor produces one complete platelet dose for a patient. Meanwhile, it takes eight whole blood donors pooled together to produce one complete platelet dose. Unlike a regular whole blood donation, a typical platelet donation takes approximately 90-120 minutes to complete

    So to answer your question would this be better for what we are doing, I would say no and here's why. I'm going to quote your post here: The machine separates the components and collects a measured amount of red blood cells into a special bag. Then the other components are mixed with a saline solution and returned to the donor.
    So you see all that the pheresis techniques is doing is removing the blood cells and returning the rest to you.
    For our purposes I would suggest the ALYX machine and here's why. We want to get HEMATOCRIT down. By giving two units of blood using the ALYX machine you've in effect thined out your blood and lowered the hematocrit. She also told me I could use this machine every 16 weeks. I then asked if I could give the normal single unit in between and she said yes. For example, give to the Alyx, 8 weeks later give one unit, 8 weeks later Alyx, 8 weeks later one unit, and so on.

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    Re: Donating Blood... RBC only

    IWGB I am not talking about donating platelets... just the red blood cells. I believe it would be the same as the ALYX you recommended. Thanks for taking the time to respond though, it sounds like a good option.

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    Re: Donating Blood... RBC only

    I want to try this also.. I am going to if they ever bring the bus with the machine on it to work. (where I donate) It only makes sense that one on aas would benefit more from a double bag considering you are making alot more rbc while on cycle
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    Re: Donating Blood... RBC only

    They won't allow me to donate double reds due to my blood type. I'm AB+ which is pretty rare and the desperately need my plasma and platelets for type specific use. My new doc said if my hematocrit levels get to high that he'll just write a script for donation so I can give more often than every 6 weeks.

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