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    HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    My upcoming cycle

    Weeks 1-12 Test E- 500mg/week(Mon/thur)
    Weeks 1-18 Aromasin- 6.25mg/day
    Weeks 12-15 Hcg- 500iu/week(Mon/thur) + Final 10 days leading up to PCT will be 500 iu per day

    PCT Weeks 15-18- Clomid 50/50/50/50
    - Nolva 40/40/20/20

    How is this dosing protocol for HCG? Ive seen different methods, but came to the conclusion that 500iu/week for 2 weeks or so days followed by 500iu/day for 10 days before PCT would be the best method to get my boys back asap. Thoughts?

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    You are going to get all kinds of answers for this so be prepared. A lot of the vets will chime in. Hang tight.

    16 week test E, Dbol start, Var finisher. For me 1000iu HCG each week for the two week ester clear then into PCT. Though I used HCG during cycle (wished I hadn't).
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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    Originally Posted by Dtownry View Post
    You are going to get all kinds of answers for this so be prepared. A lot of the vets will chime in. Hang tight.

    16 week test E, Dbol start, Var finisher. For me 1000iu HCG each week for the two week ester clear then into PCT. Though I used HCG during cycle (wished I hadn't).
    Why do you wish you hadnt?

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    Originally Posted by NeoPT View Post
    My upcoming cycle

    Weeks 1-12 Test E- 500mg/week(Mon/thur)
    Weeks 1-18 Aromasin- 6.25mg/day
    Weeks 12-15 Hcg- 500iu/week(Mon/thur) + Final 10 days leading up to PCT will be 500 iu per day

    PCT Weeks 15-18- Clomid 50/50/50/50
    - Nolva 40/40/20/20

    How is this dosing protocol for HCG? Ive seen different methods, but came to the conclusion that 500iu/week for 2 weeks or so days followed by 500iu/day for 10 days before PCT would be the best method to get my boys back asap. Thoughts?
    Start the HCG in week 8 at 500iu per week.

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    id start the hcg earlier, but thats just me.

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    I opted to start Hcg(250iu T/F) week 4 of my 16 week Test E cycle, and I am still gonna blast 500IU/day for 10 days before PCT

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    So HCG at week 8- 500/week. That vial will last me through week 11, as the hcg is only viable for a month, is that correct?

    So I would need to get two 5000ius of hcg? Thanks for the input guys

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    Originally Posted by AlphaD View Post
    I opted to start Hcg(250iu T/F) week 4 of my 16 week Test E cycle, and I am still gonna blast 500IU/day for 10 days before PCT
    12 weeks oh hcg followed by a 10 day blast? Wouldnt that blunt your natural LH production too much?

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    Originally Posted by NeoPT View Post
    12 weeks oh hcg followed by a 10 day blast? Wouldnt that blunt your natural LH production too much?
    not while on 500mg of tes. The tes will blunt natty production because the body will already have tons of tes in it, so it will not produce it, no need.

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    As I am not too inclined on the scientific side, and Hcg is something that I have only used this run, I received my advise from the experienced brothers here, and I believe it will make my recovery quicker.

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    Do u get two vials of hcg? As I've read that its only viable for a month, have u heard the same?
    Originally Posted by AlphaD View Post
    As I am not too inclined on the scientific side, and Hcg is something that I have only used this run, I received my advise from the experienced brothers here, and I believe it will make my recovery quicker.

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    I have read and heard 4-5 weeks. I had bought 6 to begin with......

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

    Nice! Super prepared, I'll have to do that next go around. Thanks!

    Originally Posted by AlphaD View Post
    I have read and heard 4-5 weeks. I had bought 6 to begin with......

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    Re: HCG timing during Test E Cycle

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    Nice! Super prepared, I'll have to do that next go around. Thanks!
    Haha! Yeah, it was cheaper that way I'm was also preparing for second run as well.

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    Hi NeoPT

    Im doing the same cycle as as you and was planning on using the same PCT.

    How did it go for you? Anything you would change?

    Thanks

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    Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    not while on 500mg of tes. The tes will blunt natty production because the body will already have tons of tes in it, so it will not produce it, no need.
    When HCG is introduced the body will start to produce testosterone again even while on exogenous testosterone.

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    My recommendation is to begin using HCG from the very first week up until 4days prior to beginning PCT. Dose it at 250iu twice weekly or 500iu total per week and mix it with your test injections or pin it separately. Up to you on the days.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a chance of leydig cell desensitization with over use of hcg?

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    Originally Posted by mrSlate View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a chance of leydig cell desensitization with over use of hcg?
    That's why you only use as much HCG as needed which 250iu twice weekly is almost always enough. Desensitization will occur with prolonged high dosages of HCG. That's part of the reason why I don't recommend a 'blast' at the end of the cycle.

    Originally Posted by Dr. Crisler
    It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

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    Originally Posted by arondogg View Post
    Hi NeoPT

    Im doing the same cycle as as you and was planning on using the same PCT.

    How did it go for you? Anything you would change?

    Thanks
    Hey Aron, I responded to your msg, but I'll post it here as well.

    I did HCG the final month, ending 3 days before pct.
    Weeks 1-3- 250iu- 2x/week
    Week 4- 500iu ed

    It went great! Natural test was higher than ever, kept all my gains.

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