Son and Old mans cycle help

[stonetag]

Talking with my son on our next cycle and he agrees that at my age (50) I need to change up to some milder gear, our usual cycle consists of some test, varies on the ester, tren ace or enan. and an oral (varies) with a good PCT. We have both made great gains over the years but now the harder sides gear is rough. So test and???????

50 yo
6'2
253lbs
around 12%bf
lost track of how many cycles
The cool thing is my son has the same stats except age obviously and fair amount leaner (28yo)

 

[PillarofBalance]

What's the goal?

 

[Azog]

What's the goal?

It is definitely goal dependent.

Some quick ideas:
-primobolan
-masteron
-nandrolone
-anavar
-tbol

Most these carry very few sides. Keeping test low can help with the sides massively. Think around TRT dose (200mg). You say you still PCT and recover at the age of 50? Good for you!

 

[DocDePanda187123]

It is definitely goal dependent.

Some quick ideas:
-primobolan
-masteron
-nandrolone
-anavar
-tbol

Most these carry very few sides. Keeping test low can help with the sides massively. Think around TRT dose (200mg). You say you still PCT and recover at the age of 50? Good for you!

I like this list for low side compounds. Nandrolone especially with consideration for age.

 

[stonetag]

It is definitely goal dependent.

Some quick ideas:
-primobolan
-masteron
-nandrolone
-anavar
-tbol

Most these carry very few sides. Keeping test low can help with the sides massively. Think around TRT dose (200mg). You say you still PCT and recover at the age of 50? Good for you!

Ha thanks I think?

 

[stonetag]

What's the goal?

From just a maintenance standpoint, you know keep gravity at bay

 

[Rumpy]

My cookie cutter answer is 600mg of test cyp and 400+ of Deca or NPP. Mmmm, Deca

 

[stonetag]

I like this list for low side compounds. Nandrolone especially with consideration for age.

Thanks for ideas Docd, used both mast. and var don't remember much about the Mast. (quite awhile ago) do remember the sick viens from the var

 

[DocDePanda187123]

Thanks for ideas Docd, used both mast. and var don't remember much about the Mast. (quite awhile ago) do remember the sick viens from the var

Nandrolone is a harsh compound and will make recovery slightly more difficult but it's other benefits, especially for joints, is unparalleled really.

 

[stonetag]

Nandrolone is a harsh compound and will make recovery slightly more difficult but it's other benefits, especially for joints, is unparalleled really.

I do like deca for that aspect. its the sexual shut down that sucks even with test, I guess I could include an oral (Viagra) in the cycle

 

[DocDePanda187123]

I prefer Cialis to Viagra for a multitude of reasons but when you've ran deca in the past and experience sexual dysfunction, have you had your E2 and prolactin tested? These are the two reasons you'd experience sexual shutdown, loss of libido, ED, etc. Controlling estradiol is your first line if defense in controlling prolactin and dopamine agonists such as prami and caber also reduce prolactin.

 

[stonetag]

I prefer Cialis to Viagra for a multitude of reasons but when you've ran deca in the past and experience sexual dysfunction, have you had your E2 and prolactin tested? These are the two reasons you'd experience sexual shutdown, loss of libido, ED, etc. Controlling estradiol is your first line if defense in controlling prolactin and dopamine agonists such as prami and caber also reduce prolactin.

would that be test specific or would it show in normal blood work? so even an AI during cycle would not combat these events

 

[DocDePanda187123]

would that be test specific or would it show in normal blood work? so even an AI during cycle would not combat these events

To check for prolactin you'll need a specific prolactin test or it might be included in a certain group of tests like an ED panel, thyroid panel etc. Elevated prolactin can lead to sexual dysfunction and lactation so it's best to keep it in check. An AI is the best first line of defense towards combating these sides. An AI like adex or aromasin will control estradiol levels (this can be tested for specifically as well or as part of a flanger panel of tests). The key to controlling prolactin is keeping estradiol in check. In some people who are sensitive to prolactin a dopamine agonist such as prami or caber will make sure it doesn't get out of control. I made a thred here to help you with getting blood tests done:

http://www.ugbodybuilding.com/threads/9303-How-to-get-accurate-testosterone-levels-results-from-blood-work

I'd suggest choosing which panels you need done and going from there. Myself or any number of other members can help you choose which panels and tests are best suited for your situation. So to summarize about running progestins like nandrolone:
1) control estradiol with an AI as necessary
2) get blood work done pre, mid, nod post cycle
3) control prolactin by controlling estradiol and/or using dopamine agonists
4) enjoy the benefits of nandrolone and a health working noodle

 

[PillarofBalance]

Nandrolone is a harsh compound and will make recovery slightly more difficult but it's other benefits, especially for joints, is unparalleled really.

I include nandrolone at 100mg per week in my cruises and experience the joint effects. No prolactin inhibition needed at that dose.

 

[DocDePanda187123]

I include nandrolone at 100mg per week in my cruises and experience the joint effects. No prolactin inhibition needed at that dose.

Yup, I know a few others who love to include it on their TRT or cruises. It really is a fascinating compound. I personally made the choice to check prolactin every time I do mid cycle bloods as there's some evidence it's not the 19-nors that are increasing prolactin but aromatizing compounds.

 

[Seeker]

You have some good stats and congratulations on your success over the years. I'm not too far from my 50's, I will be there soon. Right now I am cycling and cruising but when I do hit my 50's my plan is to drop the cycling and see if I can just run on GH and testosterone.

 

[Hero Swole]

Id look into cabergoline along with cialis its like rocket fuel. I cant use both at the same time too much. Thats if your interested in taking nandrolone.

 

[stonetag]

Thanks for all the help.....wow just like staples "That was Easy"

 

[stonetag]

Id look into cabergoline along with cialis its like rocket fuel. I cant use both at the same time too much. Thats if your interested in taking nandrolone.

It has been some years ago but I used to incorporate nandrolone in quite a few cycles, and if I remember right I used it regardless if bulking or cutting......hmmm I think it may be time to visit with a dependable old compound again. Thanks

 

[stonetag]

You have some good stats and congratulations on your success over the years. I'm not too far from my 50's, I will be there soon. Right now I am cycling and cruising but when I do hit my 50's my plan is to drop the cycling and see if I can just run on GH and testosterone.

My thoughts exactly Seeker...oh yeah I am 50! I am doing a short winter cycle also right now 2 weeks in.