Are there guys who prefer moderate to high cycles with minimal testosterone?

[r_d_2.0]

Dude, no.

Testosterone does not make you fat. End stop.

"Dude", if you had read the thread you would have learned that I admitted to being wrong.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I will look into it. I had a real prescription for arimidex by a doctor I used to have when I lived in the Pacific Northwest. I don't know if she could have prescribed me Aromasin as an off label option. But I'll look into it with my current doctor.

What I noticed this time around after not taking the Arimidex for a couple of years is that my heart rate has increased a bit. It's has increased from 70 to 90 bpm. It feels like a "stronger" heart beat also and I also noticed that when I do my steady-state cardio I don't have to put in as much effort to get to my target heart rate. Several years ago when I took Arimidex regularly my resting heart rate was 95bmp but we didn't know why. Now I think I do. It's almost like a caffeine effect.

I'm not worried only because I'm hoping that after I lower my weekly test dose (starting tomorrow) that I won't have to worry about water bloat as much. Or hopefully at all.

Estrogen doesn’t necessarily cause water bloat. It’s a cascade effect that involves about a half dozen other things. If any of those are interrupted then there’s no water bloat.

 

[Oakley6575]

Estrogen doesn’t necessarily cause water bloat. It’s a cascade effect that involves about a half dozen other things. If any of those are interrupted then there’s no water bloat.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm always wondering why HCG turns me into a water buffalo.

 

[CohibaRobusto]

I get bloated sometimes on high test too, and I can't figure out why. I think it's when I combine high test with deca. I was fine on 500 test with just some mast.

 

[Badleroybrown]

I know I will always need to take some form of testosterone for basic health but is this why some guys like to do an all deca cycle? I seem to r

There is only one guy that has swore by a deca only cycle..

Try it..
If you’re one of the lucky ones who can still get a hard on report back..

I am curious as well..

Why after 10 years of not training at all would you pick this lab your talking about 300 mix.

If you r been on test therapy for a long time you are just noticing now that you have back fat..

Wouldn’t you have noticed this thru the years..
Just curious?

And I am going to go ahead and say your 400g of carbs a week may have something to do with some giggles in the waist area.

 

[Badleroybrown]

I get bloated sometimes on high test too, and I can't figure out why. I think it's when I combine high test with deca. I was fine on 500 test with just some mast.

Oh yes.. test:deca swells me up.

I can go in a fucking Keto diet and I have moon face.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Can you elaborate on this? I'm always wondering why HCG turns me into a water buffalo.

Estrogen isn’t the direct culprit for water retention. But higher levels of estrogen can change your homeostatic set point for sodium, making you more sensitive to sodium. You can have a low sodium diet and not retain water with higher e2 levels.

Water retention can also be affected by potassium levels since potassium and sodium levels determine your electrolyte balance.

Water retention can be dependent on the amount of carbohydrates you consume.

There’s a few other examples, but you can dig deeper if you want. Suffice to say, it’s NOT just estrogen. That severely over-simplifies everything. Guys can have high e2 levels and never get moon face or any other body swelling.

That’s the “easy” stuff, not getting into the entire complicated renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system that regulates our circulatory system, affects blood pressure, fluid volume, etc.

 

[Oakley6575]

Estrogen isn’t the direct culprit for water retention. But higher levels of estrogen can change your homeostatic set point for sodium, making you more sensitive to sodium. You can have a low sodium diet and not retain water with higher e2 levels.

Water retention can also be affected by potassium levels since potassium and sodium levels determine your electrolyte balance.

Water retention can be dependent on the amount of carbohydrates you consume.

There’s a few other examples, but you can dig deeper if you want. Suffice to say, it’s NOT just estrogen. That severely over-simplifies everything. Guys can have high e2 levels and never get moon face or any other body swelling.

That’s the “easy” stuff, not getting into the entire complicated renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system that regulates our circulatory system, affects blood pressure, fluid volume, etc.

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Ferris Bueller, you're my hero.. Thanks boss!

 

[Badleroybrown]

Estrogen isn’t the direct culprit for water retention. But higher levels of estrogen can change your homeostatic set point for sodium, making you more sensitive to sodium. You can have a low sodium diet and not retain water with higher e2 levels.

Water retention can also be affected by potassium levels since potassium and sodium levels determine your electrolyte balance.

Water retention can be dependent on the amount of carbohydrates you consume.

There’s a few other examples, but you can dig deeper if you want. Suffice to say, it’s NOT just estrogen. That severely over-simplifies everything. Guys can have high e2 levels and never get moon face or any other body swelling.

That’s the “easy” stuff, not getting into the entire complicated renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system that regulates our circulatory system, affects blood pressure, fluid volume, etc.

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YIKES..
Your
Strong ,Handsome,&Smart..

Fuck Dude your the total package…
You should let me pimp you out for lonely women who need a date…
We could make tons of money.

 

[r_d_2.0]

There is only one guy that has swore by a deca only cycle..

Try it..
If you’re one of the lucky ones who can still get a hard on report back..

I am curious as well..

Why after 10 years of not training at all would you pick this lab your talking about 300 mix.

If you r been on test therapy for a long time you are just noticing now that you have back fat..

Wouldn’t you have noticed this thru the years..
Just curious?

And I am going to go ahead and say your 400g of carbs a week may have something to do with some giggles in the waist area.

I didn't say I didn't train for ten years. I've always been training. The only times I didn't train at the gym were when I was treated for two different cancers in my thirties and then the year gyms were shut down during Covid. I tell the funny story to my friends and people I meet at the gym that even stage four lymphoma only kept me away from the gym for five months (duration of my treatment until I went into remission). Once I bounced back I was back in the gym.

I don't seem to have an issue with 200mg of testosterone. But it seems once I go higher than that then it becomes a problem. Plus, I hardly see myself from the back. It was when I took a video of myself during a DIY project (which I mentioned in my first post here) that it became so apparent to me. My skin started creasing over itself right over the spine. It's really improved now.

I'm scaling down as of this week to see how things will go. But it's been six days and I look tighter and more vascular which I attribute to the arimidex. But I'm getting worried because today my blood pressure has gone up a bit and my heart rate is elevates so I'm hoping to adjust my cycles in the future to not take it any longer.

 

[r_d_2.0]

Estrogen isn’t the direct culprit for water retention. But higher levels of estrogen can change your homeostatic set point for sodium, making you more sensitive to sodium. You can have a low sodium diet and not retain water with higher e2 levels.

Water retention can also be affected by potassium levels since potassium and sodium levels determine your electrolyte balance.

Water retention can be dependent on the amount of carbohydrates you consume.

There’s a few other examples, but you can dig deeper if you want. Suffice to say, it’s NOT just estrogen. That severely over-simplifies everything. Guys can have high e2 levels and never get moon face or any other body swelling.

That’s the “easy” stuff, not getting into the entire complicated renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system that regulates our circulatory system, affects blood pressure, fluid volume, etc.

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Cool image.

Even though you say water bloat isn't just an estrogen problem that still leaves me wondering why after I finish a cycle and am still eating the same amount of calories (if not more) that my skin thins out and I actually look better. I do add salt to my food but I cook everything I eat. I don't eat packaged foods or go out to restaurants that often (which usually contain so much more salt) Plus, when I get my metabolic panels done my sodium levels are almost always below the normal range. I sweat so much all the time which leads to cramping. When I finally added salt to my foods the cramping improved remarkably.

 

[Badleroybrown]

@r_d_2.0 well I am glad you have a clean bill of health.. cancer is no joke.