Do i need HCG on a 300mg 12 week cycle

[Aliens]

I am starting 300mg testosterone e for a 12 week cycle. My plan is to take 6.5mg aromasin on pin days until bloodwork and symptoms indicate that I should change dosing on the AI and i have nolvadex and clomid for PCT 2-4 weeks after last pin. I can't find much info on whether I should take hcg on this type of mild cycle so question is should I take it on this cycle or no?

 

[CohibaRobusto]

I don't think it's worth it suppressing your natural production for 300mg test a week personally. 250mg/wk puts my test levels at about 1000.

I'd blast 500 or do nothing at all. As far as aromasin use goes, that's a tiny dose it might be fine it probably won't hurt, but do bloodwork and your reasoning there seems legit (i.e. until bloodwork or symptoms indicate otherwise).

HCG, I like, so I lean towards using it. Others may have different opinions. Stop it right before the pct stuff I think is the protocol.

 

[Aliens]

I don't think it's worth it suppressing your natural production for 300mg test a week personally. 250mg/wk puts my test levels at about 1000.

I'd blast 500 or do nothing at all. As far as aromasin use goes, that's a tiny dose it might be fine it probably won't hurt, but do bloodwork and your reasoning there seems legit (i.e. until bloodwork or symptoms indicate otherwise).

HCG, I like, so I lean towards using it. Others may have different opinions. Stop it right before the pct stuff I think is the protocol.

Ok thank you for the response and from what I've read so far 500mg is the go to begginer cycle like you are saying but is this universal for every weight class? Like 170lb man vs a heavier guy?

 

[CohibaRobusto]

but is this universal for every weight class? Like 170lb man vs a heavier guy?

You ask like there are some IFBB guidelines on steroid use lol, there are not.

And everyone responds differently based on genetics, diet, and training. It's all trial and error, making educated guesses, doing research.

 

[Thrawn]

Agree up test. I would not use AI unless needed. Aromasin half life is 12hrs, if you're going to take it it makes no sense to take it once or twice a week, eod is where I would start. If stopping a cycle always use PCT including hcg or Gonadorelin.

 

[Aliens]

Agree up test. I would not use AI unless needed. Aromasin half life is 12hrs, if you're going to take it it makes no sense to take it once or twice a week, eod is where I would start. If stopping a cycle always use PCT including hcg or Gonadorelin.

Ok so I will get more test e and go up in dose but at what does and length of time does HCG become necessary? I'm trying to avoid taking to many drugs at once if I dont need them.

 

[JeffGoldblumLips]

I am starting 300mg testosterone e for a 12 week cycle. My plan is to take 6.5mg aromasin on pin days until bloodwork and symptoms indicate that I should change dosing on the AI and i have nolvadex and clomid for PCT 2-4 weeks after last pin. I can't find much info on whether I should take hcg on this type of mild cycle so question is should I take it on this cycle or no?

This is a "you" question. It can potentially help maintain fertility during steroid use. How important is it to you to maintain fertility? You'll also offset testicular atrophy and bust fat nuts while using it.
I personally find I lose sensitivity and have less intense orgasms when not using HCG. I take 600-700iu EOD. My current androgen load is 250testC and 150 primoE per week.

 

[Aliens]

The fertility thing is not super important to me as long as that is not permanent but I keep reading that I may need more of the AI to lower the high E2 associated with the HCG and Im trying to figure out if it's worth doing this for a first cycle in which I'm not sure how my bidy will respond to the test in the first place

 

[JeffGoldblumLips]

The fertility thing is not super important to me as long as that is not permanent

If you had to rely on a garaged car starting would you rather it be turned on periodically and driven or left dormant?

 

[JeffGoldblumLips]

I may need more of the AI to lower the high E2 associated with the HCG

Maybe, maybe not. It's not the end of the world to use a little AI. I started trt recently so I have admittedly little experience in comparison to other posters but I began HCG early on and I've been over 20%bf the whole time. I've certainly had a time learning to manage estrogen.
What's your BF like? The lower the better. I had one kind of bad breakout on my chest and upper back a little over a month after starting HCG. Not getting bloodwork and assuming it was high e2 I nuked myself with .5mg of arimidex every 5 days for too long. I've had one other breakout more recently and I didn't do anything except maintain hygiene. It cleared up after a month. It solidified what I think is good advice, don't deploy drug interventions with out supporting bloodwork and acknowledge that "feels" are usually not accurate.
Since you're going to be starting at half gram dose there is a chance you'll need an AI anyway. I find my lipids are little better using aromasin rather than arimidex however I've used arimidex more. Now that I have aromasin on hand I can't see a need for arimidex except back up. I've It will also be useful to know how to manage your e2 on higher test dosages. You'll reduce the chances of you developing gyno by keeping your e2 in range. Seems to me like a butt loads of reasons to use HCG and an AI but I'm pretty biased on the subject. Get bloodwork.

 

[GreatGunz]

Are you saying ur 170 lbs.?

 

[CJ]

I'm going to disagree with the others, I think 300mg/wk is a great dose for your first cycle.

As someone who is new to steroids, your body simply does not have as many androgen receptors as someone who has been using for years, and any extra anabolics more than what your body can handle will result in unwanted side effects.

As you continue to use steroids over the years, as you accrue more muscle mass, and even possibly within a cycle, your body will create new androgen receptors in response to the increase in androgens used. Using more than you need now is a waste of drugs and money at best, and counterproductive at worst.

So my advice, start with the 300 mgs, and only add more IF Needed. Don't worry, you're not "wasting" your first cycle if you don't go big doses.

 

[CJ]

I'll also add that I wouldn't use an AI unless needed, based upon bloodwork and symptoms. Don't add drugs for no reason, they all come with downsides, too. You want to avoid them if at all possible.

 

[Blusoul24]

I used to run hCG all the time, even on my regular TRT.

It's been at least a year since I stopped it all together.

Are my balls a little smaller? Sure. I do find that they sometimes grow sometimes shrink but I just don't give a fuck and neither does my girlfriend.

It's better than the hassle, especially when I travel.

Actually have a backlog supply in my freezer.

 

[Send0]

I used to run hCG all the time, even on my regular TRT.

It's been at least a year since I stopped it all together.

Are my balls a little smaller? Sure. I do find that they sometimes grow sometimes shrink but I just don't give a fuck and neither does my girlfriend.

It's better than the hassle, especially when I travel.

Actually have a backlog supply in my freezer.

Small balls make the dick look bigger

 

[Blusoul24]

Small balls make the dick look bigger

Shhhhhh...... don't give away the secret!

 

[Aliens]

I'm going to disagree with the others, I think 300mg/wk is a great dose for your first cycle.

As someone who is new to steroids, your body simply does not have as many androgen receptors as someone who has been using for years, and any extra anabolics more than what your body can handle will result in unwanted side effects.

As you continue to use steroids over the years, as you accrue more muscle mass, and even possibly within a cycle, your body will create new androgen receptors in response to the increase in androgens used. Using more than you need now is a waste of drugs and money at best, and counterproductive at worst.

So my advice, start with the 300 mgs, and only add more IF Needed. Don't worry, you're not "wasting" your first cycle if you don't go big doses.

 

[Aliens]

I'm glad you said that because I listened to a few guys on YouTube such as vigorous Steve that seem to be professionals in this space and they said the same thing so that is indeed what i am going with. I appreciate your input. Do you have any input about whether i should take hcg this cycle?

 

[CJ]

I'm glad you said that because I listened to a few guys on YouTube such as vigorous Steve that seem to be professionals in this space and they said the same thing so that is indeed what i am going with. I appreciate your input. Do you have any input about whether i should take hcg this cycle?

I'm not as well caught up on the latest HCG protocols, so I don't want to say anything wrong.

I personally am on TRT for life, so I don't use it

 

[chunch]

This is a "you" question. It can potentially help maintain fertility during steroid use. How important is it to you to maintain fertility? You'll also offset testicular atrophy and bust fat nuts while using it.
I personally find I lose sensitivity and have less intense orgasms when not using HCG. I take 600-700iu EOD. My current androgen load is 250testC and 150 primoE per week.

do all test cycles make you lose sensitivity and everything like you said?